iceblue

I am trying to figure out what fule manager to buy.
"There is very little on this searching"

The ones I know of for piggy are "APEXI SAFC II" "Greddy E-MANAGEMNT"
I would get a halteck E6X but no ware neer the money so for now I asume we should go with a piggy back.

So for the money and performance on a 87 TII what unit do you guys sugest?
And depending on what one will I still need a FCD?

gingenhagen

still need a FCD. I'd go with a safc2. But then there's a also a rtek chip which has a built in fcd, can support 720 secondaries, and retards timing. If you had the money, I'd go for both.

skir2222

that's what i may do instead of buyin haltech to support my full turbo upgrade. I already have a SAFCII, I can fine tune the rtek chip with the SAFCII. Wait for 2.0 to come out so we can datalog

iceblue

Both of these units are around the same price. I think the only functionality of the E-Manage is data logging and it requires a PC if you consider that a advanted. Thow does one realy offer a performance differance?

I do like that Rtek chip idea sounds great being able to retard the timeing and data log how much is it?

What ones to buy in a order?

I got $650 right now and $1100 in 7 days.
I need to buy these parts.
Greddy Profect B boost controller $230 or so
Greddy Type RS blow off valve $210 "payd now out of the $600"
3in Intercooler piping $135
Fule manager $220 ish
Boost guage $ I dunno
rtek chip $I dunno
Custom exhoust made $ I dunno but I will get hooked up. probly 2 or 3 hundard
Wide band AFR $400ish

marlaman

You need to learn how to type and spell. you suck at both.
E-manage oh yay, it's greddy, lets get all excited. decent unit, overpriced.
SAFC--i had one, worked well and did what it cost--200 bucks. can't control anything other than fuel consumption, but if that's all you're looking for go for it. If you want MAD HORSEPOWERS!!!111 get a standalone and find a good reputable tuner and have him help you out and give him some dough--don't do it yourself, no matter how smart you think you are wit teh feul computer you'll probably mess it up.

I vote for you SAFC because...
1.it's easy
2.isn't not too complexicated
3.it does the job
4.gets you a few more gains.
5.can find them pretty cheap

Peace,
Matt

iceblue

1. I am dislexic so try reserching what it is befor opening your mouth and on my behalf you misspelld as well there JR.
We went over the whol standalone thing we know its the best no need to beat the stick man. However I mentiond for now not having the money and what are there benafits.

Crusader_9x

Im not to sure of the details but the emanage can also control timing with the right harness.

marlaman

Wow, so your parents covered the truth telling their retarded son he was dislexic? wow harsh. HAHA kidding.
i really didn't intend any offense. allthough i laugh because i hurt your feelings.
But i also put my input in.

you should trust me, i'm way smarter than you,
Matt

iceblue

Yes the emanage can controll timing I read that when I was looking into it for my RX-8
I am probably wrong but i would think emange would be able to act as a FCD timing retard and fule curv

BlaCkPlaGUE

Yea with the right harness, the emanage is far superior than the apexi I've been told. It can also be tuned from a notebook as well, wich I think would be easier than doing it from a limited LED screen like on the apexi.

I think alot of people don't get it becuase of the cost, becuase they don't have a notebook they need to buy the screen module and ****. If you have a notebook, honestly the emanage is totally worth it, the fuel maps (i've been told) are much more precise than anything the SAFC can put out.
Another good reason for the people not buying the emanage is becuase they are afraid that dyno tuning with a pro will be turned down, becuase they do not know how to use it properly, when the safc is much more mainstream.

iceblue

My personal thoughts have ben. The emanage has built in maps. and I have a notebook to use on it. From what I normaly read its A+ to SAFC thow you can get a new SAFC for $230 but for a emange your lucky for $250 + Harness. IF you will evenchaly go with Stand alone is it realy worth the dough for the Emange?

As money goes I wont be bale to get a manager and rtek at one time. But I can get one of these. should I ditch the manager right now wait for standalone and get a rtek?

RENESIS TII

SAFC sucks.... it only have a cool blue screen
get the e-manage, way....way....way...better, you can control air flow, injectors, and timing
cheapest on the net
http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/
good info
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/

eViLRotor

iTrader: (2)

If you are serious about modding your car (mainly talking TII), always go with a standalone. Don't even bother with the patch solutions. Your car will thank you, and you will be happier in the end as well.

I'm on my second EMS now, and it's one thing I really don't mind spending money on, even if it's a lot.

iceblue

So the vote is just dont even bother untill I got the money for stand alone?

BlaCkPlaGUE

thats interesting. They offer a pressure sensor.

So does that mean you can remove the AFM? i doubt it, but if you can exceed its capabilities then why keep it with the car with the pressure sensor???

Parastie

If you're going to spend the money on an E-manage, you might as well save for a standalone.

BlaCkPlaGUE

Come to think about it, im sure that option is only available for cars with a map sensor in the first place??? still confused..

onePOINTthree

E-Manage with out a doubt. You can get into one for like $250 for just the unit, then add another like $150 and you've got all the options including ignition control, someting the SAFC II dosen't offer

RENESIS TII

nope.... it just lets you tune on a wider scale.
i.e.: tuning off of manifold pressure/rpm...... instead of AFM voltage/rpm

gsracer

Lets say our afm voltage pegs out...now how would I adjust the fuel mixtures above that point? That's what the map sensor can be used for. The e-manage can add in injector pulse after the ecu, this is how it is able to do such a thing.

It can also be used to control additional injectors, or even when you're operating well within the range of the stock afm. Henrik discovered that a raw afm limit exists before the secondaries come online. This is where a lot of the primary duty cycle limit myths have come from. At any rate, the e-manage could directly add in more pulsewidth before the secondaries come online in accordance to boost pressure (via the pressure sensor) or based off of AFM voltage.

Thanks to a bored computer programmer who has an interest in cars the emanage can now datalog wideband readings as well.

The emanage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safc

Jaguarx7

So with the E-manage can you plug a wideband O2 sensor directly into it, or do you still have to have a wideband controller?

gsracer

You would need the entire wideband kit.

eg: plx m300, lm1, fjo etc...


We can datalog the voltage from the 0-5 volt linear output from the above devices through the unused 2nd maf wire that is used on the skyline.

e-manage plus accessories: 400-450 dollars
e6k/lt8/e11/wolf etc.. - 900 +

I think that's a rather large disparity still. Like I've said many times before I think the e-manage is one hell of a bargain for those running anywhere from bolt ons to to4b based hybrid turbos.

Turbo II-FB

I have a great suggestion! You sould get the standalone that allows your car to never need gas!!!
I have one on all my cars !

iceblue

Finaly thread geting good. Thats what I thought about it thx for helping so far.
There is quite a few $$ between emange to stand alone here. This will not be a major mod car. by that I mean it probably will not brake into the motor for mods unless it blows. id say peek HP of this car will finish around 380