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what do you think about this afr-monitor! would be a nice feature!

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 02:58 AM
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Cool what do you think about this afr-monitor! would be a nice feature!

was looking for some way to monitor my afr while boostin'!!

http://www.pagparts.com/perfpts9.asp...gtuc&mfrid=187

what do you think about that one? any reviews?

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 05:53 AM
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Should be good, not a bad price either I guess.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 07:27 AM
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ok so nobody else bothers?
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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It's the AEM wideband...*shrug* Very popular and works well...Not really sure there is more to say...
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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i have that one, works pretty good. it has about 200ms lag though, but i guess thats normal
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:34 AM
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Ted is recommending a stock narrowband monitoring device!

would be cheesy: http://www.fc3spro.com/TECH/MODS/EL/GAUGES/afr.htm
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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There are certainly reasons to use a A/F gauge on the narrowband. It will tell you when the engine is in closed loop, if your emission controls are working, if you are dangerously lean, etc. You just won't be doing any tuning with it...
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:14 AM
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i use the innovate wideband......these 2 links is what i use
LC-1 lambda cable and the XD-1 guage ..with these, i can still hook THIS system up and still run my narrow band with THIS sensor..so you can watch your wideband readins and still have the narrow band at the same time with 1 O2 sensor!!!!!
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
There are certainly reasons to use a A/F gauge on the narrowband. It will tell you when the engine is in closed loop, if your emission controls are working, if you are dangerously lean, etc. You just won't be doing any tuning with it...
that's what i'm looking for! it will be used as a controlling device during normal operation of the car. dyno adjustments will be performed with a standalone wideband of my dyno-specialist!

so i think the narrowband one is reasonable...
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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a narrow band one is pointless and just a lite show
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:01 PM
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I have to agree with Aaron here, they help with emissions and tell you when it's closed loop.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 88rxn/a
a narrow band one is pointless and just a lite show
And this is based on? Didn't you just blow up your engine?
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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i run a techedge wideband.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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i have the AEM wideband and its very nice and accurate i would recomend it to anyone
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
And this is based on? Didn't you just blow up your engine?

how could that possibly be in any way related to a narrow band?
i dont even use one of thise pieces of crap....

can you use a narrow band? sure!
would i reccomend using one?? NO!
do they help in any performance or reliable way? barley!
is it worth to spend the money on it? IMHO NO!

get one...im not here to stop ya....
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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and how could you reccomend using a narrow band for someone that's boosting??

he'll be posting the same thread i have "blown motor". in a few months......
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 01:40 AM
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the narrowband is doing the same as the wideband, just way slower and less precise!
why else would mazda put in such sensor if it was crap??

and like i posted: it would be for MONITORING REASONS not fine tuning!!
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 02:02 AM
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Narrow bands are useful for monitoring purposes, as stated. It can give you a general idea of whats happening, just nothing precise enough for tuning. It would be a very useful thing for someone that has a turbo car but can't afford a wideband yet. It will let him know where he's standing fuel wise and whether hes about to blow the motor or not.
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 02:16 AM
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 02:34 AM
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Why spend cash on a sub par narrowband when you could spend a little more for a wideband and neverh ave to buy again. narrowbands arent good for anything but ballpark, which scares me

and by ballpark i mean lean, stoich, or rich... and thats about all the info you get
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 02:53 AM
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sure right,

i wouldn't call a 40$ to 350$ difference in price "spending a little more" though...
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 06:27 AM
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i am by no means picking apart your choice..i just dont want to see another rotarty dead like mine
if you chose the narrowband then congrats
if you try to do any tuning just please be careful!
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 06:48 AM
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originally posted by me: that's what i'm looking for! it will be used as a controlling device during normal operation of the car. dyno adjustments will be performed with a standalone wideband of my dyno-specialist!

so i think the narrowband one is reasonable...
yeah, but maybe it's a setup that's just suitable for my application! but absolutely correct, a wideband is always superior!!

... oh yes man, i almost cried when my TII died... so after rebuild i'll be veeery careful with it
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Old Oct 18, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by airworks-fc3s
sure right,

i wouldn't call a 40$ to 350$ difference in price "spending a little more" though...
When it comes to better tuning and a safer A/F ratio, $300 is a little bit to me.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:25 AM
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yes correct, but tuning willl be with wideband!
monitoring during daily driving will be narrowband...
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