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Old 10-21-07, 08:19 PM
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I edited my post, and mentioned that btw.
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Gaah, now the post doesnt make sense, But, yes, Pookie has been very insightful on the car, and has provided gobs of info for me, including the bit about the SAFC, which was NOT mentioned in the original add, along with some other info, which Pookie has later gracefully told me about.
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Originally Posted by Derek King
lol dude because we like funny ratarded colors in our engine bays. thats why they are better than us duh.

i know the backround of that car scince 1999 it sat till i turned 16 in 03 i then i went and bought it from a neighbor changed the plugs and started it and drove it away, my friend got the car from me then blew the engine at rotary revolution and the car sat till pookie got it and had it turbo'd yaay
Dood! I checked ur myspace, and one of your friends knows "soloracer" I know that dude from our local auto x club! (He drives the black WRX with a bunch of logos on it and a white hood.)
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Originally Posted by Asterisk
Ok, so I go and get a comp tester from autozone, and since the engine is "supposedly" rebuilt, and broken in, it should give very good compression. So, if this checks out, then theoretically the engine is ok...
The compression check will not detect blown water seals, leaky fuel injectors, or bad turbochargers.

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Here's the trick... what else do I check for?
http://www.aaroncake.net/RX-7/buy2.htm

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I was thinking a light burnout to check for the LSD and new clutch.... but that's bit a bit of a dumb way to go about it.
It is generally accepted that the LSD clutch is shot on cars this old. A rebuild is about $400 in parts plus labor.

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Also, the suspension is going out and the stock shocks/springs are going in.
Why would you do that?
Old 10-22-07, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Why would you do that?
When I saw that. +1, why?
Old 10-22-07, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
The compression check will not detect blown water seals, leaky fuel injectors, or bad turbochargers.
The compression check will also not detect low washer fluid, bad wheel bearings, or rips in the upholstery.

Evil Aviator, I hope you are not taking the problems that are inherent to many 20+ year old RX7s and automatically associating those problems with my car. I can only assume that you are pointing out these potential problems in an attempt to help someone who is purchasing an FC for the first time. As everyone here knows, it would be very unfair to assume my car has these problems without first inspecting the car in person.

I am not here to argue with you, but rather to make an attempt to protect the online integrity of my username and this car. In fact, I appreciate you pointing out more of these potential hazards. Once Asterisk finishes performing his growing list of inspections on the car, he will be able to drive away with us both knowing this is a solid car.
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Originally Posted by Pookie
The compression check will also not detect low washer fluid, bad wheel bearings, or rips in the upholstery.
He can check those items on his own. The problem with the engine is that you detuned it, so he can't fully check that now. Like I stated earlier, this indicates a seller who either doesn't understand cars, or is trying to hide something. Either way, the "integrity of your username" is damaged, and it is YOUR doing, not mine. A legitimate and car-smart seller who wanted to keep the SAFC or sell it separately would have at least kept it in the car long enough for potential buyers to test drive the car.

Originally Posted by Pookie
Evil Aviator, I hope you are not taking the problems that are inherent to many 20+ year old RX7s and automatically associating those problems with my car.
Why is your car magically immune to the problems that plague every other RX-7 on the planet? Did you sprinkle it with star dust or something?

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he will be able to drive away with us both knowing this is a solid car.
If you really wanted that, you would re-install the SAFC and have it tuned.
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^ I feel that there has been a misconception about the role of the SAFC in this vehicle.

When this car was n/a, I tuned the vehicle with the SAFC. Upon swapping to the 4-port turbo engine, the SAFC was still in the car and wired into the car's harness, however the SAFC was not used for any tuning on this engine. The SAFC simply sat on the console and did nothing for the vehicle except basically monitor TPS % (as the SAFC was initially set off TPS) and voltage. The SAFC was never set for, tuned to, or adjusted for this specific engine.

As Asterisk mentioned in an earlier post, the car had a problem last fall and I suspected the engine's harness to be the culprit. I therefore swapped in a very clean harness that I knew was in good working order. At that time, the engine had less than 1,000 miles on it and had not been tuned with anything. When I removed the original harness, the SAFC was attached to that harness. The harness swap had no effect on the performance of the vehicle because it was only a stock harness with a SAFC hanging off it. The SAFC was making no adjustments to this engine's fuel levels. This engine has not been detuned as it was never tuned to begin with.

I repeat, the SAFC has never been used to adjust fuel levels for this specific engine.

To be as broad and as encompassing as possible, I will say this: When test driving this vehicle, Asterisk will be able to feel, hear, or experience every characteristic of this engine. If it is to hiccup or malfunction in any way, it will not be the lack of an SAFC but because there must be some other flaw with the engine.

I have made no excuses for anything with this car but I feel like you are trying to pin me down by saying I am trying to hide something here.

I really hope that clears up the SAFC misunderstanding. With the way things are going, I would guess you are still going to berate me again and I anticipate that I will again be labeled a "dipshit" in your upcoming post. It's OK, I can handle it.

To answer your other question...

As you know, the growing speculation of nuclear weapons in Iran has caused the price of star dust to shoot to an all-time high. Because of these catstrophic prices, no star dust was used in the assembly of this vehicle.

As an alternative, both the primary and seconday injectors have been cleaned and the turbo has come off a low mile T2 that I purchased from a forum member here. I built this car to be my daily driver so I wanted everything to be as reliable and new as possible, including new rotors and pads, new Koyo, and new tires. Because I am a full-time student and also work full-time, the FC is no longer conducive to my daily needs. I am simply selling this car because I do not have the space or time for it.
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I now understand why we are having this communication problem.

In a post, Asterisk provides an accurate description of this car. He says:

Originally Posted by Asterisk
So, I'm in the process of buying a T2 swapped S4. It's not stock. I've bought a Haynes FSM for it and spent a lot of time on here before finally committing to buying an FC. The previous owner did the swap, rebuild, 5 lug conversion, and upgraded the electronics system with a SAFC, 255lph walbro, 680cc secondary injectors, along with a ported wastegate and a boost contoller, running 11psi.
That information is absolutely correct. All of that is described in the ad and summarizes this vehicle very well.

Asterisk then goes on to say this:

Originally Posted by Asterisk
He monitored it with a SAFC AEM wideband MAF and a boost gauge.
That is not true. That information is incorrect. An SAFC was never used to tune this engine. A wideband was used to check for any lean fuel conditions, however, there has never been any tuning done on this engine.

I do not know if I spoke incorrectly in a phone conversation or if Asterisk simply misunderstood me. However, you will notice that there is no mentioning of tuning or an SAFC in the original ad as it was never my intention to advertise the vehicle this way because that information is simply incorrect.

Hopefully this will remedy any past misunderstandings.
Old 10-22-07, 06:13 PM
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Yeah, sorry about that one, Pookie, I posted that a bit earlier, before we really discused it in detail. I noticed a couple of your old posts, as a sort of "Background check" since you seemed to post awfully little amount and your join date was back in 2005. So, I saw a post wher you talked about the heat, and trying to fix it. You put a slight bit, saying, "the voltage on my SAFC dropped to zero, or something, and I had to jump start it, and drive it briskly home" I dont remember where that was, but then during a phone convo, you also said that you had an AEM wideband and an SAFC for sale as well. So, I guess, from the lack of info, I did something horrible. I put the pieces together, and assumed that the engine has these on there, but you decided to sell the car separately, and make a bit more $, which is not unusual and understandable for a collage student at all.
Now, I THOUGHT you had the engine tuned with them, but you say that you did not, and the whole think makes sense now, if I take your word for it. Again, sometimes snooping around like this reveals only shards of info, and leads to a lot of confusion.... Well, at least now, it's all cleared up!

About the Engine: The turbo, as I have been told, can be checked for exessive shaft play, so that's being done, the diff was out of a low milage GXL, and seeing as to how Pookie should have replaced the Differential fluid, it SHOULD still somewhat work.

Then, yes, I read Aaron's guide, he is a good guy, and very knowledgeable about RX-7's.

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Why would you do that?
When I saw that. +1, why?
Because the initial agreement was, that he will lower the price of the car, if it does not include the WINTER set of wheels, and the Coilovers.

With it all, he originally wanted $4200 for the car, which I do not have, since Registartion, gas, first month of insurance, is all budgeted into the rest of the money I had saved up. So, the plan was, the suspension was to be replaced with stock units, and given an aligment.
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Originally Posted by JDM_Infini
not bad, but why green
OMG, I just figured out wtf this dude was talking about. I thought he meant that the color has this teal green tint to it in the pics... well, I just noticed that the irons ARE hulk green! I Thought the turbo looked funny, as I have not seen it in a non-metallic color before, but, that's hilarious! I think that that IS bitchin, and what made you choose that color, dude? To be different? Well, you got +1 there!
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Originally Posted by Asterisk
With it all, he originally wanted $4200 for the car, which I do not have, since Registartion, gas, first month of insurance, is all budgeted into the rest of the money I had saved up. So, the plan was, the suspension was to be replaced with stock units, and given an aligment.
The Blue Book value on a real TurboII is about $4,100 in Good condition, and that includes the upgraded clutch, transmission, driveshaft, LSD, and halfshafts, not to mention the engine would run properly. You are looking at a ghetto conversion in which the engine has never run properly. You may be better served to continue saving your money and buying a real TurboII, because I don't think that particular car is worth the money unless it includes the extras mentioned in the ad. I think the seller should sell the car for parts.
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Nothing wrong with being too careful with hard earned money.

Check compression and turbo play. Go from there.
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Ok, so I looked around, and found some more cars... but that doesnt mean I changed my mind on this one just yet. I found an S5 vert (auto though) in realy good condition, with a rebuild and paperwork for 3500.

Then I found a TRUE S4 T2, with an Atkins Rebuild in it, also with paperwork.
Im mot exactly shure on the price of this one yet, the guy want clear about it, and I didn't exaclty ask him yet. Waiting on pics.

And, I talked with another gentleman in Chicago that has owned his all original, stock T2 for 10 years. He also had an FB and an FD, and was also quite polite and knolwedgeable. He wanted 4500 for his car through.

Oh yeah, found a shitload of really clean miatas as well, three great ones in STL, and one mariner blue one in Chicago. Damn, it's a good thing I live in Champaign, this way, I'm exaclty in the middle of all these crazy deals!
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Originally Posted by Asterisk
Ok, so I looked around, and found some more cars... but that doesnt mean I changed my mind on this one just yet. I found an S5 vert (auto though) in realy good condition, with a rebuild and paperwork for 3500.
Stay away from anything with an auto transmission. It slows down the car, it is incredibly expensive to fix, and it is a major pain to replace with a manual transmission.

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Then I found a TRUE S4 T2, with an Atkins Rebuild in it, also with paperwork. Im mot exactly shure on the price of this one yet, the guy want clear about it, and I didn't exaclty ask him yet. Waiting on pics.

And, I talked with another gentleman in Chicago that has owned his all original, stock T2 for 10 years. He also had an FB and an FD, and was also quite polite and knolwedgeable. He wanted 4500 for his car through.

Oh yeah, found a shitload of really clean miatas as well, three great ones in STL, and one mariner blue one in Chicago. Damn, it's a good thing I live in Champaign, this way, I'm exaclty in the middle of all these crazy deals!
These sound like better choices.
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My plan for the vert was to get a s4 base shell or something, and then swap over 90% of the vert on to that: suspension, motor, interior, most wiring, seats, etc...

The only thing that would stay from the vert would be the shell, and all the manual transmission components in this case. Why would I do all that and still have a stock N/A car?




...I really hate auto verts!

Also, I would make some money back by selling the vert shell, top, body panels, etc. Only problems I see with this is: it will require a **** load of tools, time, garage space, effort, and experience, lol. I know this idea sounds crazy, and I probably will NOT go through with it, but it's worth a thought. The guy said the vert had like, a problem with fuel pressure anyway, and I don't like how that sounds.
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Update: car was sold before I could buy it... I got a 1996 Merin instead.
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Originally Posted by Asterisk
Update: car was sold before I could buy it.
Well, I'm sure we will be hearing from the new owner soon. I hope he/she knows a lot about cars, because that thing needs some major attention.

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I got a 1996 Merin instead.
A what?




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