What do you guys think of an S-AFC I?
05-24-03, 02:58 PM
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What do you guys think of an S-AFC I?
Im thinking about getting a first generation S-AFC, the ones with the 4 or so *****, what do you guys think about them? I think they can only change by 30% instead of the 50% of the S-AFCIIs but they can be found for under 100 bucks. Thanks.
05-24-03, 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
Quite a few forum members are using them, just don't get the one's that are for VTEC's, they won't work.
Quite a few forum members are using them, just don't get the one's that are for VTEC's, they won't work.
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05-24-03, 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
if you mean the ones with the digi screens the new one hase points that can be tuned closer together than the first model and some other things. Basicaly it has more acuracy in tunning.
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if you mean the ones with the digi screens the new one hase points that can be tuned closer together than the first model and some other things. Basicaly it has more acuracy in tunning.
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Why waste time, effort and $$$$$$ on a bunch of piggy-back crap?
Lets examine a few facts:
1. Our Wiring harnesses are old and brittle with marginal performance at best
2. Piggy-backs are a band-aid approach
3. You still need to Dyno-Tune to optimize the Piggy-back tuning ( Butt Dyno doesn't cut it)
4. Bad sittings can and will lead to detonation and certain APEX death.
For a little more money than the standard assortment of piggy-backs you can upgrade to a Stand-Alone ECU and a NEW WIRING HARNESS!. You still shell out the same $$$ for tuning, but its done right and not a compromise
Just my thoughts. John
Lets examine a few facts:
1. Our Wiring harnesses are old and brittle with marginal performance at best
2. Piggy-backs are a band-aid approach
3. You still need to Dyno-Tune to optimize the Piggy-back tuning ( Butt Dyno doesn't cut it)
4. Bad sittings can and will lead to detonation and certain APEX death.
For a little more money than the standard assortment of piggy-backs you can upgrade to a Stand-Alone ECU and a NEW WIRING HARNESS!. You still shell out the same $$$ for tuning, but its done right and not a compromise
Just my thoughts. John
05-24-03, 07:46 PM
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Which Is why I am selling mine! It's a second generation and details could be found here; https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=188802
PM me for details.
PM me for details.
05-24-03, 07:52 PM
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Which Is why I am selling mine! It's a second generation and details could be found here; https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=188802
PM me for details.
PM me for details.
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Originally posted by banzaitoyota
Why waste time, effort and $$$$$$ on a bunch of piggy-back crap?
Lets examine a few facts:
1. Our Wiring harnesses are old and brittle with marginal performance at best
2. Piggy-backs are a band-aid approach
3. You still need to Dyno-Tune to optimize the Piggy-back tuning ( Butt Dyno doesn't cut it)
4. Bad sittings can and will lead to detonation and certain APEX death.
For a little more money than the standard assortment of piggy-backs you can upgrade to a Stand-Alone ECU and a NEW WIRING HARNESS!. You still shell out the same $$$ for tuning, but its done right and not a compromise
Just my thoughts. John
Why waste time, effort and $$$$$$ on a bunch of piggy-back crap?
Lets examine a few facts:
1. Our Wiring harnesses are old and brittle with marginal performance at best
2. Piggy-backs are a band-aid approach
3. You still need to Dyno-Tune to optimize the Piggy-back tuning ( Butt Dyno doesn't cut it)
4. Bad sittings can and will lead to detonation and certain APEX death.
For a little more money than the standard assortment of piggy-backs you can upgrade to a Stand-Alone ECU and a NEW WIRING HARNESS!. You still shell out the same $$$ for tuning, but its done right and not a compromise
Just my thoughts. John
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Or $2k+ for another engine after blowing it up with a stand alone. It's all in the tuning no matter what is used.
Yes, they are a much better solution than piggy-backs, but piggy backs do the jobs pretty well. It's sort of like a simple shock/spring combo and a full coil-over setup. The coil-overs are better, but so much so they might be overkill for most people. Too much adjustability for the average person to care to use. Especially when a shock/spring combo would do them just fine.
Yes, they are a much better solution than piggy-backs, but piggy backs do the jobs pretty well. It's sort of like a simple shock/spring combo and a full coil-over setup. The coil-overs are better, but so much so they might be overkill for most people. Too much adjustability for the average person to care to use. Especially when a shock/spring combo would do them just fine.
05-25-03, 01:55 PM
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Yeah, it seems easier to bust a motor with a stand alone because you have 100% control than a piggy when you have say 50% or less, well either way can do it just as easy i guess.
To be honest YES i would LOVE to have a Stand alone, but i can only save something like 50 or less dollars a week working fast food. It will take me FOREVER to save up enough for a Haltech. (and by the time i do ill look like a starving etheopean)
Not only are features an option here Mr Banzi, but budget is something to seriously consider as well. Either way i will have a wideband O2 (the DIY one thats running around here, im sure you can find a link) so i will NOT blow my motor either way, in which case i think a piggy will be just fine. Im not running say 400+HP, im running maybe 180ish with my N/A, just trying to sqeeze a bit out of her.
thanks for your help guys.
To be honest YES i would LOVE to have a Stand alone, but i can only save something like 50 or less dollars a week working fast food. It will take me FOREVER to save up enough for a Haltech. (and by the time i do ill look like a starving etheopean)
Not only are features an option here Mr Banzi, but budget is something to seriously consider as well. Either way i will have a wideband O2 (the DIY one thats running around here, im sure you can find a link) so i will NOT blow my motor either way, in which case i think a piggy will be just fine. Im not running say 400+HP, im running maybe 180ish with my N/A, just trying to sqeeze a bit out of her.
thanks for your help guys.
05-25-03, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Jerk_Racer
Or $2k+ for another engine after blowing it up with a stand alone. It's all in the tuning no matter what is used.
Yes, they are a much better solution than piggy-backs, but piggy backs do the jobs pretty well. It's sort of like a simple shock/spring combo and a full coil-over setup. The coil-overs are better, but so much so they might be overkill for most people. Too much adjustability for the average person to care to use. Especially when a shock/spring combo would do them just fine.
Or $2k+ for another engine after blowing it up with a stand alone. It's all in the tuning no matter what is used.
Yes, they are a much better solution than piggy-backs, but piggy backs do the jobs pretty well. It's sort of like a simple shock/spring combo and a full coil-over setup. The coil-overs are better, but so much so they might be overkill for most people. Too much adjustability for the average person to care to use. Especially when a shock/spring combo would do them just fine.
400ish for spring and shock or 2K+ for coil overs. Either way i bet 70% of us on here wont ever use the spring and shock combo to its max capabilitys
05-25-03, 02:10 PM
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the "S-afc I" is not the one with *****. it is the blue screen one. the "acf" is the one with *****.
and now there is a newer one out the S-afc II which just came out.
just to straighten you out...
and now there is a newer one out the S-afc II which just came out.
just to straighten you out...
05-25-03, 02:14 PM
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the AFC has ONE ****. the one with the five ***** is called the Super Air Fuel Converter, its the first generation. the digi one is called the S-AFC for short, and its the second generation S-AFC. The newest one is the S-AFCII Whoo hoo!.
Btw, the one with the ***** has adjustments at 600RPM 2400RPM 4000RPM 5600RPM 7200 RPM..
Food for thought.
Btw, the one with the ***** has adjustments at 600RPM 2400RPM 4000RPM 5600RPM 7200 RPM..
Food for thought.
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05-25-03, 09:48 PM
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As an alternative, Microtech Is having a Group Buy that you may want to take advantage of right now. Look Into the MT Forum to get better acquainted with the Standalone or go here; http://www.team140.net/modules.php?n...article&sid=17
When thinking Standalone, Haltech shouldn't be the only EMS that comes to mind.
When thinking Standalone, Haltech shouldn't be the only EMS that comes to mind.
05-25-03, 09:51 PM
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You may want take advantage of Microtech's Group Buy. You could get better acquainted by going to the MT Forum or go here;http://www.team140.net/modules.php?n...article&sid=17
When thinking Standalone's, Haltech shouldn't be the first EMS to come to mind.
When thinking Standalone's, Haltech shouldn't be the first EMS to come to mind.
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