RX7BEAR

I have tried and tried to get this motor to start . It still has nocompression and the guy says it was a good motor and told me I blew it up and wont give me my money back what a punk!!!
just to let you all know his email is
TLETCH45@PRODIGY.NET
said he got the motor from a guy in chicago a year ago.
Sorry to post this here but to all the people that tried to give me advise on getting it running thanks . and be aware of this guy!!!!!

J-Rat

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Damn. That sucks man...

devo3577

Lets all send him an e-mail!!!!

J-Rat

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Thought about it...Dont know that it would help the situation any...

dr0x

No compression? Is it flooded? Have you tried to push start it to get it running (get it going at like 4000rpm in first gear)? A lot of the time its just because the motor flooded clearing any oil out of the rotor chamber. Try throwing a bit in the spark plug holes then push starting it for a few blocks. It will start eventually if its not blown. If it does start leave it running for a long time to burn away all that fuel. Then kill it and change the oil. Find out whats causing it to flood.

But if it indeed is blown, bridge port time

hypntyz7

Tom Lichtenegger from jackson MO? I know him, have known him a while, have done business with him. Maybe there is more to the story. Tom is a good guy. Maybe he didnt know any better before he sold it. I dunno. Tom? You out there?

vicious525E

agreed...

RX7BEAR

wow all the posts that were here are gone !!!! Must ahve been to much bitchin . Im sorry guys for what you all read on here . But I had to let you all know what I was going through because I had you all tryin to help me. Thank you again every one.

DroptopRX7

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I wonder why all the posts were removed. Sounded like a difference of opinion. Yet they left Tom's email. Tom did say he responded to some allegations, but I don't see them.
Weird.
RW

RX7BEAR

yeah he joined the forum to call me names and stuff and try to defend himself . In his remarks he did say that if he wanted to he could have sent the bad motor he had in his back yard or garage what ever and I myself think that is what he sold me. Its plain and simple this motor should of had some kind of compression and at least with 60-65000 miles on it should have started right up with out me haveing to try everything there is to try to get it to start.

hypntyz7

The moderatorship SUCKS in this forum. THey pick over something such as this (I read TOm's post, and it was NOT out of line WHATSOEVER) and let some other **** get TOTALLY out of hand. ITs just stupid. BUt, its out of my hands, so whatever.

dr0x

Yeah. Moderators do suck. But the forum also crashed or moved servers or something. Alot of new posts and replies are gone.

StarionX

I agree. Some of my replies to other posts disappeared in the last couple of days, so I think in this case, they are having major server problems which is wiping out messages.

Psychoblue23

That hella sux. . . . .

- James

Toms84RX7

Everyone, I am back since my last post was wiped off the face of the forum. I joined the Forum so that I could defend myself from alligations from Lloyd R. Ferguson(RX7Bear). No Lloyd, I didn't join just to call you names or anything, I have never refered to you in any other manner than "Mr. Ferguson" or Lloyd, which is about 100 times better than what all you are saying about me. Also, I have never stated that "I know where you live, I have your address and phone number" like you have stated to me. You have threatened me, you have repetedly cussed me, you have falsly accused me of many things, yet, I remain calm and have not retailated, other than offer a calm, plain defense and "my side" of the story.
Now, to go along with my first post, I will finish up here tonite. Mr. Ferguson, since you like beating a dead horse, so to speak, I will entertain you with very possibly, my last post on the Forum. You said the plugs in the motor I sold you were not the correct plugs, and they were not. They were there simply to keep crap from getting into the combustion chambers, that is all, not to run on. I do admit and still stand behind the fact of when I shipped that motor to you, I turned it over again by hand, and it still had 3 very strong and distinct "whooshes" on each rotor. Now, after it left my possession, I have no control over the motor or its well being any more, so I will not offer any type of warranty. Also, since I did not personally build that motor, I will not offer any warranty. It is a used, 14-15 year old motor, that I would not warranty unless I had personally built it. Kevin personally builds his motors and offers a warranty. He can do this because he has confidence in his workmanship, as do I.
Another point you bring up Mr. Ferguson, is the Trust issue. Now, lets look at several points here. 1) I looked all over this area for the least expensive shipper, emailed you with all the different prices and let you decide. I could have told you it was going to cost a lot more, then just pocketed the rest, but I did not. I paid for the shipping, out of my pocket so that you could get the motor a little quicker, since you kept emailing me asking about it, saying how you needed it ASAP! I took your word that you would send the money 4 days after I sent you the motor. You did send the money as I did the motor. You emailed me this past week and said you knew from the first day that the motor was junk, yet you wait a month and a half to actually tell me this. If you would have said something when you got the motor, we could have done something, but a month and a half later? I think not.
To be continued.....

Toms84RX7

Part 2.
When you said you had to install the new gaskets, yes, YOU requested the motor be a bare block, so I stripped it to a bare block for you.
Now, you also said that I was just wanting everyone to feel sorry for me? No, I just want to be able to tell my side of the story and defend myself of what I am being accused of. I do have lots of 2nd Gen parts still in my garage, hatches, wiring harnesses for an N/A car, ECU's misc. interior pieces, a dash, part of a rearend, just lots of weird stuff. I will not sell any of it to anyone since Mr. Ferguson has started his little escapade here. I will give it away to anyone who wants any or all of it, just come pick it up. I will not ship anything to anyone, sorry.
Now, Mr. Ferguson, if you wish to come to my home, please catch a flight (since you stated you can fly free anywhere) to Lambert Field in St. Louis, MO, then catch a hop to Cape Girardeau, MO municipal airfield. I will meet you in person so this manner can be taken care of however you see fit. Please call me when you have a schedule, but try to make it on the weekend as I do work during the week. I will make it a point to meet you at the airport so this can all be taken care of in a gentlemans fashion, if you wish.
I am sorry again for the waste of bandwidth, but I would lie to wish everyone here a safe and happy season, safe travel during the holiday season and a Merry Christmas to everyone. Please Be careful driving or traveling this holiday season.
Thank You

hypntyz7

LMFAO...

Guess that about sums it all up. There isnt much more to be said here, really. No one can be sure what happened from the time it left tom's house until the time it got posted here on the forum.

Besides. If I were a buyer, and I am having to give a lot of money for something, I ask for a written guarantee, against DOA if nothing else, and what resolution will be given ahead of time should there be a problem later. IF a buyer wont provide me with this (on a high dollar item mind you) then I usually thank them for their time and let it slide. IF it is a no guarantee part, I either get it fairly cheap or not at all.

Same thing with selling. The parts that I sell untested I generally let go real cheap. This basically means that if you buy a logicon from me that I havent tested, its like buying from a pick-n-pull junkyard...most of em have a no refund policy. THis means if you hand pick it and take it home, its your baby, working or not. But, they let stuff go cheap because of this. You might get a non working part, and you havent really lost much; plus you still have spare parts and can usually put 2 together to make one. Sometimes you luck up and get a perfect part for dirt cheap.

However, if I sell something that I know for a fact worked, then I ask a lot more out of it. THis is because Im putting my name on the line, and it'll cover extra expenses later down the road should a problem arise. As a buyer, keep in mind the tried and true saying: "you get what you paid for". In summary, if you dont get a warranty, get the parts cheap. IF you pay a lot, get a written warranty as well as written recourse in event of a failure.

fc3s.org

Couldn't have said it better. Just ask all the people that bought j-spec motors from somewhere else because they were a couple bucks cheaper than mine, then they ended up buying one of mine because theirs doesn't work and there was no warranty or they can't get ahold of them anymore. People must use common sense and good judgement on these higher dollar items like Kevin said. I try to warn people about situations that could turn sour when they email me, but you can only do so much over the internet.

Good luck to both of you. I hope that something can be resolved between you guys.

RX7BEAR

I did ask him if it was good when we were talking about me buying it. And did tell him I want a refund if it isnt. He is just saying I took to long to tell him it is bad.
I love my car and took my time doing the install I dont have a garage to do it in and if anyone on here is from Maryland knows it has rained quite alot here just so happened it didnt start till I got the motor. At the beginning of Oct.When I got a good week end to do it I rented the lift pulled my old one and tried to install it but my motor mount was shot so I had to wait another week.
You all saw all the posts on here asking what might be wrong and what can I try. The same day I started asking all that he was emailed about it and was nice to me. But now that it turns out to be bad Im th ebad guy because he said it was a good motor I bought it took my time to put it in found out its bad and want a refund.
I see were he is coming from ? NOT
Ive worked for th epublic along time the customer is always right so they say and there are laws to protect people from being ripped off. That is why he was told I have your name address and phone number. And can travel for free due to the fact that the guy who purchased this engine form him is in the army and is a higher end person and does have access to very very good lawyers.
Everything was fine with all this till I told him I have done everything to get it started and I want a refund then I get hit with excuse after excuse . Very bad person to due bussness this way.

Turbonut

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What a crime! If I may ask, how much did you pay for the motor? I hope this opens everyone's eyes as to what might happen when parts are purchased.
I purchased an upgraded ecu for my '89 TII. Performs great, yup N370. Paid $300 and when it arrived N326 n/a. Sent it back, but no money returned. Took him to small claims court via phone Naples, Fla. Got a default judgement which will accrue @ 9% per year plus additional expenses. I will pursue this further next year.
Everyone be careful.

RX7BEAR

603.00 credit card transaction through paypal.

Turbonut

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That even makes it worse.....$603 for nothing. At least an upstanding person should offer some consideration to you in this matter. Problem is he can't recoup any monies he paid for the engine...If he paid anything for it.
If your stuck with it, best thing is to have somebody that's knowledgeable open it up, see what's the problem, and report back. That way you'll have proof it was junk! Wish I could offer some assistance rather than just sympathy for a deal gone bad.

RX7BEAR

tell me about it . You being from NJ knows it has been rainning here on the east coast almost everyweek end since Sept. Not that we dont need it !!!!!!!! But damn I dont have a garage to do this work in and I want that peice of **** motor out of my car .

Toms84RX7

Turbonut,
Like I have said in previous posts, I will not refund his money for several reasons.
1: I turned the motor over by hand before it was shipped, 3 very strong "whooshes" from each rotor.
2: *if* Lloyd "RX7Bear" would have contacted me in a civilized manner rather than threats and cussing me, there may have been some sympathy.
3: Lloyd had the motor 1 1/2 months before he ever complained to me that it was supposedly bad.
4: Lloyd paid $603.00 for a good 1987-88 N/A 13B motor, which is exactly what I sent him. What he did to it after he took possession, I cannot control and will not give any refunds for.
5: Lloyd has since stated that he has dragged the car for miles at high RPM. Now, if there was any damage done, it would definately be done now.
6: Lloyd supposedly has a "certified mechanic" helping him install this motor, yet he still has to ask what fuel line goes where?
7: Lloyd changed the CAS for some unknown reason with his.

Sorry, but I personally do not know Mr. Fergusons mechanical abilities on a rotary, but I am not giving any refund. He is more than welcome to come to Missouri and this can be settled however he sees fit.
Thank You,

Turbonut

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Tom:
Believe me, I understand both positions. You've got a 13/14 year old engine with 60,000 miles? That's @ 4,000 miles per year. Doesn't sound logical.That's why I recommended to have the engine specifically examined by someone that is knowledgeable on rotaries. I also find it interesting the engine has zero compression... meaning all seals gone. It's just a shame that the 2 of you couldn't come to a mutual understanding. You must expect the buyer to be annoyed, and therefore very outspoken after the findings described. Conversely I understand your feathers being ruffled after hearing/seeing all this.
I think both should calm down and digest this situation. It's rediculous to ask the buyer to fly down and we'll discuss it. It could be done up front.
Maybe a mediator is needed!