2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Unorthodox Crank Pulley 7-12 HP gain?!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 09:49 AM
  #1  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
Arrow Unorthodox Crank Pulley 7-12 HP gain?!

So Unorthodox has the pulley for sale right now for $50.00 so I'm going to pick one up. I just wanted to see if anyone else believes their claim that it can add 7-12HP. This is NOT the underdrive one.
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/Item...e=12&Model=131
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 10:19 AM
  #2  
jjwalker's Avatar
MECP Certified Installer
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,176
Likes: 3
From: Mesquite, TX-DFW
I don't understand how it could make more power if it was not underdrive. Even if it was a fraction of the rotating mass of the stock pulley, it wouldn't make 7-12 HP.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 10:43 AM
  #3  
ATRON3000's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 309
Likes: 0
From: South Florida
Whoever made the webpage must have copied the same spec table from the underdrive pulley onto this one... that also says 7-12 hp increase

no hp increase on this one, just a dent... I wonder if they have more than 1 for sale
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 11:06 AM
  #4  
FC3Sdrift's Avatar
Displacement Replacement
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Thomas
i have the pulley on my klze mx3 , it actually made a noticeable differance . it was a few lbs lighter than the stock. me and my buddy were racing with his h22 civic and we'd be dead even with the stock pulley, went home threw on the unorthodox and i would jump ahead off the line everytime, my buddy was all mad i put it on
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 11:30 AM
  #5  
lastphaseofthis's Avatar
My job is to blow **** up
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,903
Likes: 5
From: palmyra Indiana
yeah brah me and my homies were racing our honda's and we were dead even from stop light to stop light and then he pulled over and got a cheese burger and i chose not to eat, and he was so madd cuz i beat him everytime off the line after that.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 11:38 AM
  #6  
FC3Sdrift's Avatar
Displacement Replacement
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Thomas
do they even have paved roads in alabama?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 11:47 AM
  #7  
lastphaseofthis's Avatar
My job is to blow **** up
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,903
Likes: 5
From: palmyra Indiana
nope, this is were Dr1fting started. Except we don't call it that. it's called.. haulin' ***.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 12:36 PM
  #8  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
Originally Posted by FC3Sdrift
i have the pulley on my klze mx3 , it actually made a noticeable differance . it was a few lbs lighter than the stock. me and my buddy were racing with his h22 civic and we'd be dead even with the stock pulley, went home threw on the unorthodox and i would jump ahead off the line everytime, my buddy was all mad i put it on
Yea but doesn't the crank pulley on those cars weigh like 30lbs stock?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:31 PM
  #9  
Aaron Cake's Avatar
Engine, Not Motor
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
Even underdrive pulleys don't increase power that much. And they suck on the street.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:32 PM
  #10  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
is that a single piece pulley that requires the removal of the front eshaft bolt?
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 01:51 PM
  #11  
TooMuch4You's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 392
Likes: 0
From: Portland
Originally Posted by arghx
is that a single piece pulley that requires the removal of the front eshaft bolt?
would love to know the answer to this as well - could be the solution to the timing woes I'm having with my frankenstein front hub/pulley
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 02:34 PM
  #12  
rx7racerca's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,725
Likes: 8
From: Lake Country, BC, Canada
Wildly unlikely. Maybe if it was also underdrive, and used on a 12,000 rpm PP race motor.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 02:39 PM
  #13  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
Originally Posted by arghx
is that a single piece pulley that requires the removal of the front eshaft bolt?
I just sent an email to ask how it is mounted because it looks like a one piece for sure. I will let you guys know what he says.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 02:48 PM
  #14  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
you better ask them if it has marks at -5 L and - 20 T just like stock
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 03:06 PM
  #15  
gkarmadi's Avatar
water jacket mod??!
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,431
Likes: 1
From: Ontario
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
Even underdrive pulleys don't increase power that much. And they suck on the street.
Why is it suck on the street??
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 03:45 PM
  #16  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
Originally Posted by arghx
you better ask them if it has marks at -5 L and - 20 T just like stock
Yes I forgot that in my first email so I sent a second
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:09 PM
  #17  
Hypertek's Avatar
Slowpoke
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,273
Likes: 6
From: Socal
if anything, nice little $50 bling bling piece for your engine bay, esp if you got an efan setup to show it off.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:12 PM
  #18  
RotaryRocket88's Avatar
Top Down, Boost Up
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,718
Likes: 6
From: San Diego, CA
Take your $50 and go get some stock pulleys powder coated.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:13 PM
  #19  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
Originally Posted by Hypertek
if anything, nice little $50 bling bling piece for your engine bay, esp if you got an efan setup to show it off.
I took my pulley set off to replace the waterpump gasket and the inside of the rear and inside of the front pulleys are so rusted that it crumbles when you touch it so I just figured I'd see whats out there that isnt underdrive and I found this I figured for 50 bucks why not.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 05:57 PM
  #20  
CS13B's Avatar
Thread Starter
From the Roots Up!
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 2
From: GTA, Ontario
This is the response I got to the email:

"The pulley in the title is an underdrive pulley, the one at the end designates black anodize which we no longer do anymore. The unit on the site is the only one of its kind left. It replaces the entire pulley and hub assembly, this requires strict installation measures outlined in the pulley instructions to not have the thrust washer drop out."

Well... I guess I'm not buying it after all

In case anyone is interested in that thing he also happened to mention that the regular price could be brought down to $200 each with a group buy of 40 people...

Take your $50 and go get some stock pulleys powder coated.
Wouldn't powder coat add a lot of weight?
Can you get that steel heat treated or something to turn it that wierd chameleon colour or something?
I don't know much about metal processing; just that steel won't annodize do a cool looking colour like aluminum

Last edited by CS13B; Apr 8, 2010 at 06:03 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2010 | 08:56 PM
  #21  
ericgrau's Avatar
Clean.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,521
Likes: 3
From: Huntington Beach, CA
^ Powder coat is a type of nice paint. Paint weighs almost nothing. I think you can get metallic-looking colors too, but I dunno how good they look.

Originally Posted by gkarmadi
Why is it suck on the street??
It's for the water pump and alternator right? Underdriving the alternator is not good on a car that already has a weak alternator. Dunno about the water pump but the most common cause of engine failure on non-turbos is overheats. On the race track you drive at higher rpms so it cancels out the effects of the underdrive pulleys, so you save some horsepower from not overdriving everything.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:30 AM
  #22  
FC3Sdrift's Avatar
Displacement Replacement
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,502
Likes: 0
From: St. Thomas
eitherway They are a really good seller, i sent my payment at 10am and by 10 am the next day the ups guy was droppin off my part
they're outta montreal , im just outside london its not really that far
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2010 | 09:56 AM
  #23  
Aaron Cake's Avatar
Engine, Not Motor
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted by gkarmadi
Why is it suck on the street??
The underdrive pulleys will not spin the alternator fast enough at normal street RPMs, leading to a reduced capacity in the charging system. Combine this with a few more draws then stock (ie. e-fan) and voltage will be chronically low.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:52 PM
  #24  
rotary#10's Avatar
Vodak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (38)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 883
Likes: 49
From: Oakland, CALI = O
Originally Posted by Aaron Cake
The underdrive pulleys will not spin the alternator fast enough at normal street RPMs, leading to a reduced capacity in the charging system. Combine this with a few more draws then stock (ie. e-fan) and voltage will be chronically low.
Ahhhaaa I was waiting for that. Aaron Cake's tech advice.
Reply
Old Apr 9, 2010 | 05:02 PM
  #25  
bsecured's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
From: ontario
What about underdriven pully + fd alt for street driven??
In my own experience (I am currently running the unorthodox underdriven main crank pully) w/ fd alt.
I see, 13.Xvolts @ idle and on light throttle (or full throttle), I see 14.Xvolts.

Last edited by bsecured; Apr 9, 2010 at 05:06 PM.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:53 PM.