trainwreck517

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Ok, my car was fine.. then when I got home I was showing my friend my new stereo.. well he started playing with the shifter while he was in the cockpit pertending to drive with clutch all the way in.. then he says puts in back into nuterual because I tell him to stop.. I go in the car.. move the shifter and notice it wouldn't go into 3rd, 4th, 5th or reverse..but if you put it into 1st or 2nd or in nutural... and try to move it.. the car will go in reverse. So I tthink maybe the shifter got misalied or something.. I open it up and everything looks normal.. So what could this be? Did something break causing it to get stuck in reverse?
This just happed a few min ago and its dark out.. So is there anything in specif I should look for when I look it at tomorrow?

Any help would be apperciated.


This is a 90, N/A, gtu

Cory Simpson

Start the car and let the clutch out, and see if it is stuck in a gear.

I seriously dought he did anything to it!

trainwreck517

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"but if I put it into 1st or 2nd or in nutural... and try to move it.. the car will go in reverse." That was with the car running..

Cory Simpson

So you can't shift threw all the gears? Correct?

Maybe your syncros's have gone bad.

trainwreck517

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correct, just 1st and 2nd.. can't even get on to the right side.. like there is a wall there..

trainwreck517

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Sir Rupert Hobo

this is wierd, but remove the shifter **** and take off the boots. you'll see three 10mm bolts. remove them and then remove the 4 10mm bolts off the square plate. it a bitch, but just try it. after that, take out the shift lever. and just see what the hell is stopping it. make sure you put all your gaskets/bushings back where you had them though.

just a thought.

trainwreck517

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Ah Yes, I did that sir. took off the shifter.. and everything looked fine.. Some one was telling maybe the linkage?

Sir Rupert Hobo

well then you're way ahead of me.. i don't think it could be the linkage because it doesn't even move on the right side... correct? if it was the linkage, then it would still be able to shift.. just not "engage".

trainwreck517

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Aww man, I was hoping something reletively simple.. don't have the funds to rebuild it.

Hope when I look at it tomorrow I can figure it out.

Sir Rupert Hobo

well, good luck.. tell me what's wrong with it when you find out..

trainwreck517

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Thanks, and will do..

Hopefully some one had this happend to them and can tell me what happend, or some one with experence with transmissions could tell me what went wrong.

trainwreck517

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trainwreck517

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Ok me and my brother in law have come to the conclusion that the control lever end has some how got distached from the select-lock spindle. So some time this week were going to drop the tranny and see if we can replace all the bushings and bearing and see if we can set it in again. Then try to get it to pop out of reverse and have it working again.

SureShot

One thing to try before you pull the tranny.
Push the shift lever hard enough to the right to spring the 5-R selector and slide the lever back without selecting 4th.
If the lever will slip between 4 & R, then you can pull it out of R.

If it won't snap into R, then try working the lever in a counter-clockwise circle, hard against the 5-R selector to try to work it out of R by friction on the side of the selector.

trainwreck517

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I can't it get in 3rd 4th 5th or reverse.. seems like the control lever got poped out of place.. if some one could send me a picture of it.. Take off shifter.. and take a pic of what you see.. it will help me by having something to compare it too.

I am going to try to do tomorrow is hopefull get the control lever back into orginal position.. if indeed it is poped out of place to see if I can get it to pop out of reverse.

trainwreck517

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Ok I was working on it today..

If I put it 1st or second while off.. and I push the clutch it acts like I didn't push the clutch<can't roll the car>.. if I put it in nutural hold the clutch start it up.. when I ease off the clutch it goes in reverse. And I can't put it in 1st or 2nd while car is on.

And I can't even get into 3rd 4th 5th or reverse on or off.



Anyone have any ideas on what it could be?

Thaniel

Sounds like the Reverse-5th control lever is engaged. When that happens the adjacent control lever (3-4) is locked out by a pin (so you don't select 2 gears at a time). How that managed to happen from what you were doing I don't know. I have heard of it happening when people have the trans out and drop it or ship it or something.

Anyway....If this is the case You need to get the reverse selector shaft back into position or you won't be able to select any gears. Others have had luck removing the backup light swtich, putting a screw driver in there and moving the selector lever to the rear one position (It will have a dentent so You will know when you've got it). I can't remember who did that last. I think they may have had to drop the trans to get the clearance needed to do this.

Oh if this is the case then selecting 1st or second then releasing the clutch the car will go nowhere and the engine will die since 2 gears are selected at the same time.

trainwreck517

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Thank you, I am about to try that right now.. best adivice I have gotten so far.

JunpoweR

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i got the same problem
the transmission is stuck in reverse and when in netural i cant go into 3 4 5 but when its in first it wont move cause its in rev also..engine just wants to bog down and stall..probably the linkage so i guess I will have to rebuild my tranny or find another one??
DAMNIT!! oh well i bought my 1991 fc n\a for 600 bux with 78k miles =)

FASTRAKR

I was wondering about the reverse light switch thing. Dad's Spec Miata had the same problem (jammed in third) and he was told on the spec miata site to go in through the reverse hole and it worked for him. Sorry I don't know more details but you might want to check in to that.

Rotory Nut

Hey all. This has happened to me on a few other transmissions. For instance, on a 89 Jeep with a Puegot 5 speed. I was able to fix it without removing the tranny. Heres what happened. The shift lever is kinda rectangular on the end. If you shift by pushing on the stick diagonally, instead of in a H or stairstep pattern, you wear the end of the shifter and the corrisponding sleeves. This allows the shifter to some times "pop" out of one sleeve and into another. This almost always happens when you are in one gear and trying to push it into another. This will keep the tranny in one gear and not let you get back into to it to shift back into neutral. Hence, always in reverse. The cure is to pull the shifter out of its socket, (3 screws i believe) and look down the hole. You won't see anything broken, but you can stick a large standard screwdriver, (flatblade), down the hole. For a 5 speed there will be a left, middle, and right plate, with a notch about the size of the end of your shifter. If what i think has happened you will notice the one on the left in the forwar position compared to the other two. Use your long screwdriver to put it back into its "neutral" positon. All three shifter notches should line up. This will make re-inserting the shifter real easy. Keep pressure on the stick and try shifting, if you haven't cured it try it again. It took me three times on mine but i had the problem cured in less than 30 min and put back together. I have a tranny out and might be able to get some pics for you but i will not be back in town until early next week.

VroomVroomVroom

FSM, page 7A-11 illustrates the shifter mechanism. Since the control rods inside the tranny are pretty tough (and inaccessable anyway), I would take off the shifter side plate, and see if Item 1 (Pin) has sheared/fallen out. This is the only external problem that might be causing the no-shift condition (I assume the shifter itself has been eliminated as a possible cause...worn out bushings etc.).
If Item 3 (Control Rod End) is still solidly attached to Item 2 (the Control Lever) going inside the transmission, then your only course will be to remove the transmission and dissassemble to locate the problem.
The plate is shown on page 7A-5, on the side of the shifter extension housing.
Good Luck with this one. Dave