dwb87

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Alright, I just tried to start up my JDM 13B-T after my never-ending TII swap. Anyway, I turned the key and the only noise I remember sounded like the turbo spooling a bit. I don't think it was the turbo... but I don't know what it could have been. I am using an N/A harness for the JDM TII engine and a N332 ECU. Anyone know what the problem could have been? ANyone know if there is possibly something I hooked up wrong?? ANY help would be much appreciated.

dwb87

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Is there some modification that needs to be done to the N/A harness?

HAILERS

Definetly not the harness. No way.

Sound like a turbo spooling??? Possibly its the starter just spinning and its gear not engaging the flywheel????? Just a guess. You didn't say a thing about the engine itself spinning or not, so I took a guess.


A little more info please. Turbo engine AND transmission???? Or just turbo engine and n/a transmission??? Or???

Turbo engine with n/a transmission and what flywheel????? Or?????

dwb87

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alright... turbo engine, turbo tranny, and turbo ECU. N/A harness though. Wait... I also do NOT have the throttle cable hooked up... I am waiting for the TII throttle cable to come in from Atkin's Rotary. The starter may have engaged, but I did try to peak into the engine bay while starting it and the fan didn't move. Could it be the crank-angle sensor possibly? AFM is hooked up. I only remember hearing that "spool-like" noise or whatever it was. I may have heard the started but don't remember. Maybe the fuel lines are backward? Maybe the injector clips are on the wrong injectors? I don't know...

fcdevil

what is the steps you took to start it after you hooked it up??

HAILERS

If the fan did not move......the engine did not turn over.

CAS are bullet proof UNLESS you stick a screwdriver in its guts while it's turning.

A throttle cable will help when you get around to starting it but won't stop it from trying to start. Not a player right now.

Write back when you try starting again and have looked to see if the engine is turning over or not.

dwb87

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Alright, I just tried to start it again. The main noise I can hear is that little "spool-like" noise again. It wouldn't start if the injector clips were on the wrong injectors right? or maybe a vacuum line is wrong?

2RotorSpeed

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the "spool-like" noise... do you have an after-market fuel pump? I know when I start my car, the thing I hear above everything else before the engine turning over is the fuel pump in the back... but you probably are hearing something from the front or under... just a though tho GL with your swap.

HAILERS

Ah man, cut us some slack. Did the engine turn over or did it NOT turn over? As far as I'm concerned your just hearing the starter whizz on over and it's not engaging. Fix it. Remember, you said the fan (stock fan I hope with belt installed) did not turn over. IF the engine does not turn over the fan does not turn over.

Just step out there to the car and reach in the drivers window and turn the key to START and watch the pulleys/fan and let us know if they moved or did not move.

dwb87

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Yeah, it's a noise up front for sure. I'm sure it's not the fuel pump. I have NO idea what it could be... the only thing I was unsure about when hooking things up were the fuel injector clips. I think I hooked them up to the correct ones. It isn't even turning over. The belts are hooked up... lol Anyway, the engine is NOT turning over.

HAILERS

Well in that case it's just the starter solenoid not engaging. Your just hearing the starter spin over at high rpms.

Now that's either just a bad starter solenoid but could be something else. Let's say you had the wrong flywheel on the engine, like using a na flywheel instead of the turbo flywheel. The starters gear won't engage that na flywheel.

But if everything is Kosher, turbo engine...turbo transmission.....turbo flywheel, then there's a problem with the starter/starter solenoid.

It's definetly not a wiring problem because your hearing the starter spin and make that turbo sounding noise.

OR....is it possible that the battery is so low it won't throw the starter gear out to mate with the flywheel??? Might happen if the battery is low. Try to charge the battery fully up and try again.

Again, nothing to do with injector clips etc. Heck, the ECU could be fully unplugged but the starter would still engage if the starter/battery/flywheel are all in good order. Vee must habe Order!

dwb87

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Umm, that's weird... because I installed a new starter before dropping the engine in. Hmm... this is confusing... oh yeah, call me an idiot... lol I mixed up the fuel lines. How stupid eh'? blah' anyway... I haven't tried to even start it yet after switching the fuel lines and fixing some of the vacuum lines. Yeah, that was stupid though.

toplessFC3Sman

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you missed the point of what he's saying... you could have no intake or exhaust on the car, nothing but the keg, and it still wouldnt turn over if the starter isnt engaging. While its down, its a good time to fix other issues, but they arent whats keeping the engine from spinning. are you sure all the starter wires are hooked up right?

dwb87

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I'll check the starter today after I get off from work. You guys seem pretty right though, that it may be a starter issue. That must be that spinning or "spooling" noise as I described it. I'll try to see what's up though.

rogrx7

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LOL...this guy is cute.

Anyway, its real simple grasshopper. Open your bonnet and mark a spot on one of your belts. Crayon will work. Go sit and your car and turn the key. Did the mark move? I bet anything your starter is not shimmed right.

dwb87

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Funny rogrx7... anyway, I got under my car today and checked the wires to the starter to make sure everything was connected and secure. rogrx7... what do you mean by "shim"? How do I shim it correctly?

rogrx7

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http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d8004c973.jsp

dwb87

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Alright, took out the starter yesterday to find out if anything was wrong. I did a "pull-out test" with jumper cables and battery, to check if the pinion would pull out when needed. I attatched the terminals to the battery and then grounded the starter and touched either the "M" or "B" terminal with the positive cable and that made it spin. So I touched the "S" terminal with the positve cable and it popped out. (I bought a new battery BTW, the old one wasn't any good.) I put the starter back in my car and bolted it up, connected every wire and tried to start it again. The pinion only spun, because I could hear it. It didn't pop out and spin and turn the flywheel. I think that the wire going to the "S" terminal may be shot. Or is there something wrong with the Starter cut relay? I am somewhat confused...

Eternal_Gamer

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you make it really confusing. just to let you know that your injector clips, vacuum lines, has nothing to do with your condition as of right now. Your engine does not spin. So you have a problem with the starter. Are you sure your motor is not seized? Try spinning the main pulley by hand. If you can't, then its seized.

dwb87

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and if it's seized it needs rebuilt, correct??

Alright, I went outside and turned the main pulley. It DOES turn. Maybe it's a wiring problem...

HAILERS

No. If the starter is spinning then wiring would be good to it. No it's not the starter cut relay because if it was the thing wouldn't even make a noise much less spin.

I can't help but think you've the wrong flywheel on this car or have a na transmission bolted to a turbo engine. One or the other.

I mean, pull the starter out. Look in the hole left by the starter being out and state at the flywheel. Then look at the starter and its position when it is installed. Make a judgment call. Ask yourself this. If installed, would the starters teeth be in a positon to mate to the flywheel teeth????? IF the wrong parts are involved, it will be obvious that even if the starters gear flew fwd, it would not engage the flywheel teeth. That's about the best I can describe how to do it. Anybody else can just pitch in if they can explain it better.

dwb87

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I am using the transmission that the engine came with. I never disconnected the transmission. The engine is a 13BT FOR SURE.

I will pull it out and check to see if the teeth on the pinion of the starter would even hit the flywheel teeth. I thought the pinion just wasn't popping out like it should... but you may be right if the teeth do not even make contact.

HAILERS

Since the engine and transmission have not been seperated..............I've run out of ideas. I know a non turbo starter can't be installed on a turbo engine/transmission, so that's out.

Who or where did you come across this engine???

dwb87

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It's a JDM engine that I got from a Canadian company called "Fast-N-Furious Japanese Motors" lol kind of a cheesey name... the magnetic switch was broken off of the starter that came with it. I now have a remanufactured starter. It might just be the remanufactured starter. I looked at both and compared and it looks like it would work. I might go look at another starter or something at an automotive store. Just to compare them to the broken and reman. one.

RRTEC

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It's the starter....