1987RX7guy

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Yo guys since I am getting a TII like in two days I want to jump right into making it as simple as possible. As most of you know my Sport runs bareblock the only acc's still on it are the Cruise control the thermowax and the charcole canister. I want to know how much can be removed from the car given I don't have any emmissions requirements at all. I don't need a car nor do I have a visual inspection so like they say on sale day. EVERYTHING MUST GO!

I Know the basics as far as removing the Air pump, cats, A/c, simplyfied vac rack but what else can I do? I want as little crap around for me to have to mess with.

If you all have pictures and stories about your bareblock TII's let me see'm and hear them. My TII is an S5 BTW also any help in constructing a device to fool the ECU into thinking the MOP is there but running pre-mix would be good.

Santiago

J-Rat

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Wow, of all the time you have spent here have you learned nothing? All these questions have been answered 10x over. SEARCH!!!

BDoty311

OWN3D!

1987RX7guy

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Searched for "bareblock AND TII" zip came up that is worth looking at by looking at the tittles. The archives also has **** to offer except one thread that I have already gone through. And I do have something that has NOT been covered asked above. Unless you can tell me how to make a device that fools the S5 ECU into not needing the MOP so I don't have to have that ugly **** hanging in my engine bay.

red_ricer

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the engine can run without any of the hoses but if you dont want to use premix you will have to keep your oil injectors.........and J-Rat should shut up because thats why this site is here is to ask people questions that you dont know.

J-Rat

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Oh, you had better be careful. Lets see what the person you are defending just posted a few posts ago..

And second of all, if you spent any time here at all, youd know that I like to harass Santiago, but most of it is just playin.

Next time, do your homework before you shoot off your mouth.

Jarrett

1987RX7guy

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Hey now calm down guys. I dish it and I take it. Jarret knows that. He dishes it back to me after I dish it out to someone else. Its just a big circle. But I would have to disagree that this is 100% covered. There is a lot of info for N/a's but its a bit more vague in the TII world for me. Or perhaps it is just my previouse lack of interest for reading TII threads. In any case I am still trying different combo's of search text and trying to find something good.

NZConvertible

You should search again. Turbos have been covered many times, several by me. You're searching the wrong words. You're the only person I've ever heard use the word "bareblock" (WTF?).

You should also read the FSM (S4 and S5). All the info you need is in there. That's where I got most of it from.

EDIT: Something else to consider. Almost everything is hidden under the intercooler. Since you can't see it anyway, there'll be no visual difference once you're done. So it's a lot of effort for zero gain.

bejbis

i took off just about everything, OMP, everything on the intake manifolds, everything emmissions related, afm(microtech), A/c, clutch fan, tb mod, things i didnt take off but could of were like the twin scroll. and the heatercore.

-Daniel

bejbis

i forgot to add, this kid has done a bunch of cool things for the community, and i for one am going to welcome him to getting a Tii. hell, if you put the effort in the Tii, as youve done with your N/A and the writeups youve done(ie. premix writeup, and the Mangahelic writeup the other day) ill be glad to see what comes out of you and the advances youll bring to the turbo guys. so give him a break because hes been here and dosnt really know as much about the Tii as he did with is n/a. although i agree, you can search better

Daniel

1987RX7guy

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I will take a look in the FSM. But why wouldn't you call it bareblock? that is what it is when you have a bare bones system.

The reason I want to do this is for the KISS style of doing things not for making it look clean. Also keep inmind that if I don't find a TII hood I will have to frond mount the IC which will make all that junk visible.

SureShot

That's the only problem with a black car - your work dosen't show as much.

I may go the other way - Leave everything on and upgrade to yellow silicone hoses.
Ronald McDonald here we come.
NOT.
Maybe blue hoses, leave them all in, and maybe add a few?

$150FC

get a standalone ecu and run with /nothing/, heh.

it would also be interesting to see if you get any kind of gains in driveability and power with stock everything + ecu versus stock everything + stock ecu.

1987RX7guy

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I would thing I could get some HP out of it by leaning her out a tad and changing timing a bit.


Santiago


PS-
My condolences over the passing of your mother. It must have been hard for you.

Digi7ech

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Heheh Red Ricer you should think before you post.

J-Rat owned you lol.

Anyways The search is never perfect because everyone uses different terminology for items.(like you saying Bareblock) This also helps you in finding things that you would never of thought of too.

I think you mentioned all the stuff in your first post though 87RX7. Once you remove that stuff the room just opens right up.

Maybe go with an electric fan and get rid of the huge shroud and pulley fan.
I'm doin a TII conversion soon so maybe I'll look into the Vac line changing while I'm at it.

1987RX7guy

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Well if I got everything for the KISS stuff then does anybody have an idea for taking out the MOP and not going into limp mode if I want to run 100% pre-mix before I get a microtech?

Santiago

SureShot

Here is an example:


I forget who was working on it.
It may have a few bugs - check it out.

1987RX7guy

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Thanks sureshot that helps. Just one ? though is that pic from the FSM or from under the hood? I have seen similar pics under the hood of cars namely mine and a TII and FD before. I just want to know so I can look for a before picture.

TPDNRX7

Why do you have the catch can routed to the charcoal canister? Furthermore, I think putting the catch can under vac might defeat the purpose of eliminating oil blow by through the intake.

As a suggestion, you should route the PCV seperate from the charcoal canister, All oil blow by should be routed to the catch can. Including the lower nipple located at the base of the oil filler tube and the top oil filter neck. To route the charcoal canister you might want to route it to a single vac line.

SureShot

One of the forum members edited it from the FSM illustration.

1987RX7guy

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Yeah I was going to make a catch can way back but it wasn't going in that order above. It was going to be right on the oil filler neck.

SureShot

I agree - thanks

NZConvertible

Because you still have manifolds, a turbo, spark plugs, water pump, alternator, etc, etc. The block is far from bare. You're actually removing very little from it. Besides. like I said, nobody uses that term, so there's no point in searching for it.

You also can't just do one search and then say "I can't find anything". You know it's been covered many times before, so if you just need to try lots of different search terms to find what you want. After 6000+ posts you should know how to search properly.

I just searched for the word "rack" (as in vacuum rack) under my user name and got 17 hits, many of which cover what you want to do.
It doesn't have a hood?

BTW, that diagram posted has a couple of errors. The FPR should be connected to the nipple on the LIM that it was originally connected to, and the charcoal cannister shouldn't be connected to a catch can like that.

If you want to keep the charcoal cannister, you need to keep the purge valve too and all its lines. Otherwise lose it and disconnect the vent line at the check-and-cut valve by the fuel tank.

If you decied to run a catch can, it's inlet(s) should be connected to the two nipples on and below the oil filler pipe and its outlet connected to the hard line that goes to the check valve in the TID.

IMO, if you want to do this you should be familiar with the entire EFI chapter of the FSM. Read it and understand it. Ripping out stuff you don't fully understand is a good way to cause more problems that you're supposedly trying to avoid.

Here's the simplified S4 vac diagram I've posted before (S5 is basically identical except for the electronic boost controller instead of the twin-scroll system), and I can post a catch can diagram on Monday (it's on another computer).

1987RX7guy

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NZConvertible- Bareblock isn't to be taken as what it literally implies. It is a saying that doesn't come from the rotary world but many people understand it for what it means.


Thanks for posting up a non erronious pic of that diagram.

Snrub

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I know the search feature often isn't as helpfull as everyone makes to when you're looking for something. It's a myth perpetuated by many veteren members and I refuse to post "search". However, if we check the archives intended for those with LESS than 6000 posts we find this article. Checking the archives we find the same thing:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=112251

What do you expect to accomplish through removing all the extra stuff? The 'extra' stuff doesn't require you to do anything to it if you leave it there. Removing it will consume time and possibly bugger things up.