Did you even read what he posted? Apparently you did not because you were in too big of a hurry to post another flame. The producer of the video as a "Regular Customer" is much different than him producing the video (and thus the sarcasm that followed).


r0t0rhead replied to this thread to advocate his own philosophy behind engine rebuilds just as you replied to this thread. And because they differ in theory you call him an *******? How professional is that?

His motors cost more. Why is that so bad? You don't offer a warranty he does. If you offered the same quality rebuild as you do now and offered a warranty wouldn't you have to raise your price to cover the chance of having to rebuild an engine at no cost to the buyer?

He probably replaces major parts in a condition that you would reuse it. New parts cost more than one you have just cleaned up. There again is a reason his motors cost more.

He was only advocating that it is wise to "consider a totally rebuilt engine" He was not advocating NOT buying a motor specifically from you.. OR even that it had to be purchased from him. But yet he is the ******* and now I probably am too.

 

"There's a reason why you see $1500-$1800 engine "rebuilds" on the internet- usually these contain the minimum parts required to yield an acceptable engine that runs- In the long haul-You do get what you pay for. Sorry but there are no short cuts and just too many low ball "engine assemblers" out there with no clue how to properly build an engine."

That's a direct quote that knocks what Kevin does. He had every right to defend what he does for people, and on top of it, he does a damn good job from what I've heard. I plan on taking mine there when it blows up.

I would have been pissed off too. Kevin offers complete rebuilds, pulls the motor and puts it back in AND tests it for under the price of just the engine from someone else.

 

IN hindsight you might be right, though a) the way he wrote it was fairly unclear, and b) wtf difference does it make?? How juvenile is that, to go around posting your accomplishments in life? Tryin to be a big man I guess...

No, bullshit. NOw *you* need to go back and read his *theory* again. This involved calling *ME* out by name, basically offering a guarantee to those who dont know any better that any engine built with some used parts WILL fail quickly, and coming right out and saying that I (among others) dont know what the **** Im doing. REad it again my friend:

He mentioned ME by name. HE took quotes directly from my webpage description of engine parts. He made comments about my ads asking for useable rotors and housings from individuals who have torn down their own engines. He was talking about *ME* in that entire post, and you expect me not to get fired up over it? Sorry, but Ive worked too hard at trying to put out quality products, help people out with labor and tech info, and putting up with general bullshit for the last 5 years to let some jackass come out and badmouth me and my work when he has no clue wtf *HE* is talking about with regards to me and my work.

Note that I am not disputing the fact that new parts are always better than used. I am disputing the comment that I am a low ball engine builder as he put it, and I dispute the comment that one of my engines can or will fail before his; in *FACT* the opposite has been proven true, we have one of HIS customers here to shed light on the subject. Should I recruit some of *MY* customers? No, Im not that juvenile that I need an ego boost by "posting references available".

None of this is in dispute, I even state this very fact on MY webpage. The problem here is the way he came out and basically called me out by name and put me and mine down. IT would be like me coming in here and saying "hey, dont buy one of those high priced engines from rotorsports, that ****** is just out to make money, you should instead come over and buy one of my engines...". But see, I didnt do that ****. I dont know the man, dont know his work, and have never spoken to or about him. IN fact, I never say this about ANY engine builder. I am only here to offer my assistance, and here this guy is calling me a "low ball engine assembler". So where the **** does he get off calling my name?

BULLSHIT. GO back and read it again. He called me by NAME, adn several direct references were made to me and my practices throughout his post.

IF he had come in here and said, "Hey man look, you should really consider getting a top of the line engine instead of an economy rebuild. Any engine with all new parts is bound to cost more, but last longer, as well as be accompanied by a warranty. You get what you pay for. "

Do you think I would have had any problem with that? HELL NO. That is the civil way to conduct yourself in public. No, this guy comes in here calling me by name and taking quotes from my webpage(the list of parts that go into my engines) and my advertisements on the partstrader and forum asking for rotors and housings. So I should just sit back and let him carry on huh? Yeah, ok...

Yes he is, but you are not. You conducted yourself appropriately, you made valid points without finger pointing or name calling, or degrading anyone. Anybody that has dealt with me or knows me very well knows I am basically easy to get along with until someone starts running their ******* jaw...

 

 

Kevin has every right to get fired up. I don't doubt that a rebuild from him with the same new parts as the other guy would cost a lot less. And they both would have an equal chance of failure because assembling a rotary does not require some secret recipe nor is it rocket science. Just because he is reasonably priced he doesn't know what he is doing? Personally, if I needed an engine for my daily driver which I bought for $3500, I would probably buy a $1200 rebuild. Why would I spend more on the engine than what the car is worth? The fact is there are plenty of rotary shops out there who charge an arm and a leg to supposedly cover warranty costs but I have read many many posts about how they screw the customers when it comes time to honor the warranty.

 

Hmmm, I have been thinking myself of getting into the rebuilding biz, offering bargin priced rebuilds on the west coast, Just like Kevin is doing in the east/south.

But like Kevin, I was looking at my overhead being very low, to help keep the price down.

But I wouldn't want to step on anyone's toes... frankly I think there are enough RX-7s in the world to keep everyone busy. I would figure that much like it was when I was working retail on cars, every shop would help each other out.

I guess I never would have thought about talking bad about another shop... but if it's cut throat, I'll just stick to just rebuilding ECUs, CPUs and Logicons like I have been doing.

 

Although I myself have never used Kevin's services, I have heard nothing but great things about the work he does! I would go to him in a heartbeat if he was on the west coast.

 

That's a key point right there. When you buy something from me, you're not paying for employees, a large shop/space, insurance, warranties, etc. Your money is going directly towards cost of parts and to me alone.

Yeah, no ****. Especially when I come out and say that I am not out to build race and/or high performance motors, but rather stock and lightly modified street engines on a budget. THere are enough race shops out there that I dont want to even try and enter that section of the market; let them have it. Not many people can do what I do, for the cost that I charge. You show most people the stock EFI system and theyll be left scratching their heads, even if they know how to set up a haltech or the like.

Anytime you're trying to move into an area that some other shop owner even *remotely* thinks should be his, you're going to hear ****. I never knew I was taking anyone's position away in the world of rotary engine building, but word must be spreading, cause this is the 3rd case of this happening to me.

BTW Icemark, how much you charge to rebuilld a logicon and CPU? Do you do wiper switches?

 

I have been doing full rebuilds (removing all the old solder, flowing in new, replacing all relays and any burnt parts, resealing the board) on CPUs for $30 with useable core and $45 without.

Logicons I have been doing for $100 with core (working or not).

On both I offer a one year limited (I don't cover water damage, or fire damage) exchange warrenty on both CPUs and Logicons.

I was doing wiper switchs too, but no one wanted to buy them at what it cost me to rebuild (I was selling non-vert rear wiper and non rear wipers for $75 -no core, $60 with core, again with new heavy duty relays, solder joints, and re-sealed boards).

Problem with wiper switchs was after parts I was only making about $15 on my labor, so I stopped doing them unless it is as a favor for someone.

 

Are you interested in buying core CPUs, logicons, and wiper switches? I have many wiper switches (maybe 5-10 or more) and at least 5 logicons IIRC, and (right now) 2-3 CPU's IIRC, plus I get partscars all the time. What about idiot clusters/clocks, you do those?

Im just getting a handle on who does what, I know dave gibson does wiper switches too. This way, if I have a customer in bad need of a quality part, I can direct him to the right place. OR, if I myself need something, I know where to go. Plus, Like I said, I keep all these core parts here...

 

Sure, I'll PM you about buying some from you