teardown of the recent "rebuild" that i bought (<2000 miles) get ready to cry for me
07-23-04, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by chic7
who built the motor and claimed it good?? i wonder, i have friends who use a person or two mentioned, and would like to steer them clear of a rip off!!!! are all places in jax?
we dont know who built the motor, thats the problem.
the vendor has agreed that he will help me in any way possible and has been helpful. he sold the engine at a discounted price with no warranty because he didnt know who built it and he didnt know the condition of the parts used in the rebuild.
the only problem we're having here is that since he didnt know the condition of the parts used in the rebuild, he assumed that all was well and sold the engine just like any other engine he would sell that he didnt personally build and warranty. the only problem is that it was sold for 1250 dollars when its really worth about 150 dollars... thats why i'm trying to get money back here. so there really wasnt any "ripping off" because no one knew anything that the other person didnt.
the vendor is working with me about this situation and has agreed to help and that is all that matters. if he had just said, "sorry buddy, you're outta luck" and avoided me, then we'd be talking about getting ripped off.
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07-23-04, 03:58 PM
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Was a compression check done by the seller and the buyer upon receipt?
That should've at least hinted something was wrong.
Almost none of the parts are salvagable.
Just by the pics...
one rotor is no good
one rotor bearing is no good
both rotor housings are no good
side housings are questionable?
With the bad rotor bearing, e-shaft still reusable?
That's over half the motor just scrap metal.
-Ted
That should've at least hinted something was wrong.
Almost none of the parts are salvagable.
Just by the pics...
one rotor is no good
one rotor bearing is no good
both rotor housings are no good
side housings are questionable?
With the bad rotor bearing, e-shaft still reusable?
That's over half the motor just scrap metal.
-Ted
07-23-04, 04:02 PM
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FYI BEFORE EVERYONE GETS IN HERE AND START SH)%... yea i know we all love to do that type of thing... give some one a moniter and a keyboard, put these people on the iway and all of a sudden you have *****.
1st apon hearing the engine had SOMEWHAT low compression i told jacob that i would swap him for a used S5 engine. or have him send me this engine and i would just charge the price of parts.
2nd We bought these engine from a dealer in Orlando that retired and sold us his inventory.. he used atikins(or so he said) for all his remans we bought 4 of these and 3 sold localy and all are extremely happy infact one client dismantled the engine to port it and was extremely happy with the insides... but as stated we gave a garrented to start warrenty on arrivial even though we didnt need to warrenty anything. Since we did not reman it i told jacob that the engine poped well(and yes it did)
And before we get into any more i feel symphtic toward jacobs situation and i am personaly going to try to work a solution on this. But it makes me want to say F#%$# it when i get accused of stealing from people... we sell 30k$ worth of jdm engines a month some how if i was going to personaly rip someone off i think we would be in jail by now
Shane Smith
1st apon hearing the engine had SOMEWHAT low compression i told jacob that i would swap him for a used S5 engine. or have him send me this engine and i would just charge the price of parts.
2nd We bought these engine from a dealer in Orlando that retired and sold us his inventory.. he used atikins(or so he said) for all his remans we bought 4 of these and 3 sold localy and all are extremely happy infact one client dismantled the engine to port it and was extremely happy with the insides... but as stated we gave a garrented to start warrenty on arrivial even though we didnt need to warrenty anything. Since we did not reman it i told jacob that the engine poped well(and yes it did)
And before we get into any more i feel symphtic toward jacobs situation and i am personaly going to try to work a solution on this. But it makes me want to say F#%$# it when i get accused of stealing from people... we sell 30k$ worth of jdm engines a month some how if i was going to personaly rip someone off i think we would be in jail by now
Shane Smith
07-23-04, 04:14 PM
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as stated, everyone is going on what little info is being handed out! my brother in law will only go to shane for parts on his TII i do feel it should not have gone straight in a car if low compression- if so stated as one person involved said- then it is purchasers problem!!!! everyone up here can comment only on info provided so don't take offense when only part of story said and we formulate an opinion- shane look at pms and get back with me
07-23-04, 04:47 PM
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ok guys just clearing this up here.
FOR CLARIFICATION:
since almost none of the parts from this motor are reusable in the rebuild, shane agreed to mail kevin landers 2 good rotors and 2 good housings. he has helped me out a ton and there was no "ripping off" done in any way by rotaryworks.
as long as we get the rotors and housings soon we'll be all good
i'll keep everyone posted.
FOR CLARIFICATION:
since almost none of the parts from this motor are reusable in the rebuild, shane agreed to mail kevin landers 2 good rotors and 2 good housings. he has helped me out a ton and there was no "ripping off" done in any way by rotaryworks.
as long as we get the rotors and housings soon we'll be all good
i'll keep everyone posted.
07-23-04, 04:55 PM
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Alright people, calm down. It's obvious that no one (seller or purchaser) knew the real condition of this engine before the sale, or it probably would never have been sold. I don't know about Shane, but I personally won't even bother selling anything questionable, just to avoid the bullshit that comes with finding out a part is bad later on. I take running cores apart because of the liabilities involved with selling marginal ones. I'm sure he thought this was just as good as all the other engines he sold which are doing fine.
HE has apparently agreed to work with Jake, so let's not get any **** started to put him in a bad mood. The fact that he is here, has spoken with both myself and Jake, and is agreeing to work with him is testament to his honesty. This was just a mistake leading back to incorrect information from whoever he bought this engine from (that company he bought out).
As it stands now, the only parts I'd use in this engine are the front cover and front and intermediate irons...the e-shaft is scored up and won't be used.
I'd sell 2 s5 t2 rotors, rotorhousings and a t2 rear iron for about 600 bucks in really good shape, and stuff like eccentric shafts and stationary gears I pretty much throw in for nothing. Apex seals and oil seals cost around $250, and a gasket set with water seals another $125...so the way I see it this is going to take about $1000 just in PARTS to make right. That's not accounting for any labor on anybody's part (remove/reinstall, clean/inspect/assemble). I was hoping I could make him a good engine for just a few hundred bucks worth of labor, but there is nothing here from which to build.
Oh, and once again, this was NOT an atkins motor, and was NOT a mazda reman. I don't see this being anything that any professional rebuilder would have done...it wouldnt be worth the effort to turn the first tension bolt to put the thing together for anyone who cared remotely about it's use. Let's be realistic...all you guys are really paranoid about getting ripped off and such, but those of us in business for ourselves share about the same level of paranoia...all it takes is one bad post to put a hurting on a business. Most of us have built our businesses from nothing, and worked damned hard to do it. We wouldn't risk our names and businesses over a few hundred bucks worth of parts, so you can bet this wasn't done by any professional builders such as atkins, rotaryworks, or myself. This is something that a kid in his dad's workshop does as an experiment, because all his engine parts were no good and he can't afford new ones.
I do agree that a compression test should have been performed on both ends...in fact, I think Jacob did perform one shortly after installation (you can't accurately test one before it's installed unless you have an engine testbed like the one I set up) and got pretty low numbers. To say that it made 6 strong pops is nice, but a test with a mazda compression tester is necessary to make any conclusions.
HE has apparently agreed to work with Jake, so let's not get any **** started to put him in a bad mood. The fact that he is here, has spoken with both myself and Jake, and is agreeing to work with him is testament to his honesty. This was just a mistake leading back to incorrect information from whoever he bought this engine from (that company he bought out).
As it stands now, the only parts I'd use in this engine are the front cover and front and intermediate irons...the e-shaft is scored up and won't be used.
I'd sell 2 s5 t2 rotors, rotorhousings and a t2 rear iron for about 600 bucks in really good shape, and stuff like eccentric shafts and stationary gears I pretty much throw in for nothing. Apex seals and oil seals cost around $250, and a gasket set with water seals another $125...so the way I see it this is going to take about $1000 just in PARTS to make right. That's not accounting for any labor on anybody's part (remove/reinstall, clean/inspect/assemble). I was hoping I could make him a good engine for just a few hundred bucks worth of labor, but there is nothing here from which to build.
Oh, and once again, this was NOT an atkins motor, and was NOT a mazda reman. I don't see this being anything that any professional rebuilder would have done...it wouldnt be worth the effort to turn the first tension bolt to put the thing together for anyone who cared remotely about it's use. Let's be realistic...all you guys are really paranoid about getting ripped off and such, but those of us in business for ourselves share about the same level of paranoia...all it takes is one bad post to put a hurting on a business. Most of us have built our businesses from nothing, and worked damned hard to do it. We wouldn't risk our names and businesses over a few hundred bucks worth of parts, so you can bet this wasn't done by any professional builders such as atkins, rotaryworks, or myself. This is something that a kid in his dad's workshop does as an experiment, because all his engine parts were no good and he can't afford new ones.
I do agree that a compression test should have been performed on both ends...in fact, I think Jacob did perform one shortly after installation (you can't accurately test one before it's installed unless you have an engine testbed like the one I set up) and got pretty low numbers. To say that it made 6 strong pops is nice, but a test with a mazda compression tester is necessary to make any conclusions.
07-23-04, 05:04 PM
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Hey I have boughten stuff from Shane and he has always done right by me. I bought a Jspec from him over a year ago. He did not rip me off, and was very eager to answer all my questions. I am not saying Cartmill is lying but I am saying Shane would not try to pull a fast one on anyone. Well I hope all works out for everyone. As far as I can tell from being on here is Cartmill is a good guy, and as a customer of Shanes I can say he is a good guy. Good Luck to all!
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07-23-04, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RotaryWorks
todays engines 7-23
I dunno who your reply was pointed at, but I NEVER started pointing fingers at you, but my comments were replies to pictures posted in this thread.
My suggestion to you as a "vendor" is watch what you say.
You might be perfectly right and the other person thoroughly wrong, but your reputation is being solely judged by how you reply and post in a public forum.
Right now, I personally don't like your replies, and if I was a potential customers, I would've wrote you off a potential vendor already.
I've been through too much of this kinds crap already.
I think Kevin does also.
Most of the "smart" vendors do not try and get into hissy-fits online, as it almost always hurts your reputation.
This whole fiasco should've been taken care of privately.
You can't blame consumers who get nervious about a transaction when they feel they are being left out in the cold.
The best thing to do is communication effectively and in a timely manner.
Hopefully everything will work out so jacobcartmill will come back with a good remark for your reputation.
Good luck.
-Ted
07-23-04, 05:17 PM
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actually ted, i believe its post like this that hurt businesses on public forums:
i did all i could to not mention rotaryworks' name until we got a resolution to the problem, talked to shane privately, and we got it worked out.
Originally Posted by Molotovman
Shane at RotaryWorks really ripped you off man. Puts his nuts in a vice. Get him for calling that an Atkins Reman.
07-23-04, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RETed
Right now, I personally don't like your replies, and if I was a potential customers, I would've wrote you off a potential vendor already.-Ted
exactly .. im sure your a good dude, and from what has been stated by both parties your are fixing it in a timely mannor which looks good on your part, but the way you came off was a little wierd
dont know why im posting as its none of my business, but RETed's point just really stood out with me
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