Er. I don't get the logic of this. It is STILL an header on an supercharged NA. So yes, the exhaust needs to be tuned. One of the concepts of horsepower is getting air in and OUT. I say a good header is still what would be needed. Go look at supercharged Mustang's and ****. The header-based exhaust is STILL important.

 

I suppose, I need something and I need it pretty fast though because apparently it's a BIG restriction in power (i.e. lots more air going in, pissing it out the exhaust slowly).

 

Yeah, I'd guess you'll see a good 20whp jump, which should put you around the normal range for these kits

 

Scavenging (what's being referred to as "tuned" here) is dramatically less important on a blown car (in normal HP levels anyway). A big honkin' pipe that can get the exhaust out of the way is more important, vs. stock straw sized exhaust anyway.

If you're going for major HP proper tuning gets more into play, but if you were going for max HP you wouldn't have that 1970s tech roots charger. :P

 

I stand corrected. Thanks Solo.

PS My NA FC vs your NA FC. Winner takes all. I get 10 car lengths . We'll go on pinks.

 

1st) I'd appreciate it if everyone would stop making this thread negative, I'm getting sick and tired of people ******* the design, the make, the whatever - I've heard it all before, you've spat your freaking mouths in other threads and that's your damn opinion, if I would have bought the ******* thing for major HP I would have just gone turbo.

2nd) I didn't buy this to be a full blown drag car, it's meant to have a little fun daily driving it, which it has been. I don't care what's going to be my top net HP, I 've heard everyone’s negative feed back and it's really starting to **** me off.

3rd) I don't tell you all how your wing sucks, or your body kits suck, or how your cars are...you're basically telling me that I'm wasting my money, oh, gee, it's my money I can waste if I feel like it and it's not like I'm going to just flip a switch and change my mind about the supercharger, it fits my personality and my style, being that it's unique and that's why I'm into Rotary’s Period.

When I can roll up to the local hang out, park next to a 10 second EVO, a 12 second eclipse, a 12 second 3000GT, and then my little ol 14 second supercharged RX-7 gets more attention than any of them, they get jealous...it's not meant to be a drag car like I said.

STOP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU'RE OPINION IS, START ANOTHER THREAD FOR DAN IF YOU THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE DESIGN, DON'T DO IT IN MY THREAD.

No wonder everyone I know who's into Rotarys bashes this damn forums, the hand full of people who know anything are very few, the rest of the people on here are just plain ******* stupid.



To add injury to the pot, RX-7 owners, in my recent view, are some of the singteiest people I've ever seen and self centered. We have more aftermarket than some brand new modern cars that are out, our cars are 10-25 years old and people who develope these things have to have money to make the awesome products you want, you want a full blown twin screw charger then YOU market the damn kit and I'll buy it...that's right everyone on here is to damn cheap

 

I sure as hell hope that wasn't directed towards me after giving relevant advice to the discussion you were taking part in.

I happen to race ROOTS powered cars, and if you failed to catch the smilie face at the end of the comment insinuating it was a joke, that's not my problem.

Calm down or get off the boards son. No reason to get your panties in a bunch.

edit: Wait, are you the same guy that I bitchslapped on ClubGP a few months back? That Avatar looks familiar.

 

No no digital, it's the ******* comments that everyone's been making in this thread...stupid comments that I've heard time and time again.

 

No offense... but Snub (the guy that sold you the s/c right?) tried running wolf 3d with the charger, and still couldnt get what he wanted.

Seems like the kit is just destined to idle high.

 

Alright, good then, no harm no foul.

Still, you need to calm down bud. You're gonna have a stressful life if you let people bother you...

 

Exactly, I happen to like the high idle, it gives the car a nice sound at idle.

The whole reason THIS thread was started is because people flooded the last thread with nothing but BS, I figured to just start a new one than dig the old flame ridden one up.

 

This is as far as I read, want to know why? Because no one has proof, all anyone has is theory.

Therefore, your long post means nothing to me. I also noticed a mazdatrix mention and link somewhere in there, but didn't read or click it. This being because I will not trust a dyno done by a company that is selling the product. Do you believe AEM when they quote 10-15hp gain on a honda with a RAM intake? Probably not, so why should I believe mazdatrix?

Until someone proves that a PROPERLY sized collected system is worse than a true dual, it's all theory and no proof. And by proof, I mean they take the properly sized collected system, dyno it on a car at least 5-10 times to get a good base, take it off, put on the collected system without any other change, run again 5-10 times, and show what gains (more likely losses) there really are.

 

Alright guys - BACK on topic.

What should I be looking to do?!

A full racing beat exhaust will be good no doubt (not road race apparently) but should I look at doing a full custom exhaust that's actually bigger than the racing beat?

 

I missed the last one, but what kind of BS? BS as in just talk and no proof? Or some other kind of BS?

 

What should you do for exhaust? Not racing beat, that's for sure.

****... Kahren (and I soon) runs a 3" exhaust on a non-turbo application. With his tuning and setup he pulls mid to high 180's at the wheels, on STOCK port.

 

Pretty much, comparing apples to oranges, saying the the camden charger is maxed out at 200 RWHP for all the previous people who have dumped 8k into their cars or whatever.

I personally feel the car is around the 190 RWHP right now because like I said, I walked a Mazdaspeed Protege at 10lb's of boost (he was) and they put out 175 RWHP stock at 7 PSI.

This is with the car badly tuned, and when I say badly tuned, I mean BADLY tuned...you can feel the AFR going on a roller coaster ride.

 

And about the unique parking next to 10 second car thing, a great man once said:

"It's not how you stand by your car, its how you drive it." - ;o. Anyways, have fun.

 

Well... as far as I know has anyone gotten over 200rwhp? If so that's awesome, but I did some searching and couldn't find any

Also, what you "feel" the car is means nothing. Quoting hp numbers before a dyno is kinda pointless, since it means absolutely nothing except what you "want" to get.

I really hope you do get this, but really it's all hearsay until you dyno.

Also, this is coming from someone that was thinking about the charger at one point, so I'm not trying to be overly hard on you or Atkins. Atkins has been awesome to me, and I appreciate all they've done.

 

Yes, people have reached 220 and so fourth, to me that was close to how many years ago? They've updated the design since then.

And PS, I'm walking that Protege on a 5 PSI Pulley at the moment, not even the 8 PSI Pulley, stock rotted exhaust, and it needs a tune as I said...

 

Who are the people that've reached 220?

 

I'm not talking about the chargers for the 1st gen, I'm talking the 2nd gen one.

The first gen setups camden sells come in larger sizes, like 9" or something. The camden is a 7" right? So it's smaller and handles less overall.

I'm talking about the 2nd gen supercharger setups only as far as power. Sorry, I should've clarified.

And as far as the protege, no offense but so what? Not only is street racing retarded and stupid, and you should be arrested for such idiocy (again no offense, but I hate all street racers and ******** that think its cool, somewhat joking ), but it means nothing. Get a 1/4 mile slip from the drag, dyno, both of those mean much more than a simple street race. Street races are just too variable.


Oh yah btw, you should take most of what I say in jest. It's hard to convey emotion over the internet, but yah, take what I say lightly.

 

Well, considering your injectors won't support 190, I don't think that's going to happen (especially with a pretty much plugged cat on otherwise stock exhaust).

I'm a bit interested in how this is apples and oranges? There have been what, 5 people who've used the same charger with varying setups (from ported 4 ports to ported 6ports from wolf3d's to microtechs from 5psi pulleys to 11psi pulleys), and even through all of that with a proper tune and various other supporting mods, the average sits right around 180rwhp, with extensive mods the highest yet has been a 211. Now, considering you're using the same charger, the same kind of pulleys, and a setup generally considered to be a little less fancy than the rest (IE Microtech, Wolf3D, etc), I'd believe it to be pretty easily comparable.

Also, a MS Protege turbo puts out 170BHP, not RWHP.

 

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If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen?

But seriously dude, expect some backlash if you post. Some people like, some don't. And as I said, take most of what I say in jest.

Some of us are not "haters" we just question some things and are a little more realistic than you I think? You just seem too... high expecting I guess. Yes it will provide gains, yes it's kinda neat to be different, but you are just expecting too much.

Also, sonicrat, in case you were wondering the MS protege also has these stats in addition to the 170bhp:

Obtained from MT June, 2003
0-60: 6.8
Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 15.1
1/4 Speed: 93




Ah you edited your post, so my first comment doesn't make sense to anyone else, in case any of you were wondering. It is meaningful to Tech, though.

 

What about that guy who had the 3rd gen and the super nice SC'd vert? Wasn't he putting like 230 to the wheels? I think the (guy) sold both cars and got a C5 Vette... Anyone know who I'm talking about?