still not fast enough...
11-22-04, 04:16 PM
#26
Originally Posted by jreynish
No way do you know what you are talking about. It has been done, will be done again... and will continue to be done. With a Top Mount and a good hybrid with an SAFC, and 1200cc injectors my freind made 375 RWHP. So it can be done! Granted that was with a street port but regardless there is no reason why 300 can't be achieved.
11-22-04, 06:25 PM
#29
Originally Posted by jreynish
Yes... but he was running alot of fuel to do it! so not saying that much 375 is recommended on TOP mount, but 300 is definitely acheivable without too much of a problem.
You happen to have any dyno graphs of it?
11-22-04, 07:30 PM
#32
Originally Posted by Bukwild
"hybrid with an SAFC, and 1200cc injectors my freind made 375 RWHP"
In your dreams he did. Was that on a pepboys parking lot dyno.
In your dreams he did. Was that on a pepboys parking lot dyno.
11-22-04, 09:37 PM
#34
Originally Posted by Bukwild
"hybrid with an SAFC, and 1200cc injectors my freind made 375 RWHP"
In your dreams he did. Was that on a pepboys parking lot dyno.
In your dreams he did. Was that on a pepboys parking lot dyno.
But as evil rotor said the intake temps were very high from what we could tell he had a tonne of fuel to prevent detonation. This is to the extreme, I really don't think anybody should go this route, I was simply stating that it was done! As Hondahater said it can be done as you add more port you only add more power (duh why else would you do it?)
Now back on topic as Terrh said.
Terrh my suggestion to you would be upgrade to a hybrid equivalent to bnr stage three (or equivalent), and get a front mount intercooler and a good quality BOV (if you don't already have it) And a set of 860cc injectors and simply put you 720cc in the primary instead of the stock 550cc. And tune your SAFC accrodingly that should get you arround 300rwhp or more.
11-22-04, 10:49 PM
#35
yeah the bullshit is getting deep. Top mount hybrid Fc's running rwhp more than some full FMIC t04's with bandaid computer chips.
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
11-22-04, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bukwild
yeah the bullshit is getting deep. Top mount hybrid Fc's running rwhp more than some full FMIC t04's with bandaid computer chips.
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
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11-22-04, 11:10 PM
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a freshly rebuilt engine would make a big difference, you would get alot of compresson back and trust me it will put you at 110 trap speed or very close, upgrade your fuel pump and up the boost to 12, you could also get streight through exhaust. on my old TII and i had low compression and it put me from 15.4 to 13.9 with basic bolt ons at 12 psi
11-23-04, 12:04 AM
#39
Originally Posted by Bukwild
yeah the bullshit is getting deep. Top mount hybrid Fc's running rwhp more than some full FMIC t04's with bandaid computer chips.
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
Terrh: Like I posted already standalone is the building block of any car. You can listen to all the dreamers or people who have "friends that run 29lbs of boost on a stock turbo/fuel/intercooler" and all the other **** that goes with that. Do you ever notice that these friends never show up anywhere. Why, because they don't exist or their car is down getting a rebuild.
"The worst thing to happen to the second gen rx-7 is the rtech chip. It just give people another excuse on why they don't buy a EMS. Do a search on SAFC and hear all the posts against it but now that it works with a "chip" its like the new black
SO here it goes... have you every ran a hybrid with a piggy back? no? I have.. granted I did not make 375 RWHP actually I never even dyno'd mine but it was pretty quick. I ran it both on a stock top mount and a greddy Vspl intercooler kit. I alsor ran it with the biggy back and then with a microtech lt-8. I now have a haltech e6x! I have ran a hybrid and loved it both with stand alone and piggy back all though there was a differene a small one but granted a noticable one. Now can you say you have done that?.... ?....?
Ok now where it pisses me off... is that you say it can't be done... why? because you haven't done it?... or because it hasn't been done alot successfully because of botched jobs?... I can name a couple people on this very forum that have done 350+ horsepower on a hybrid with stock ecu and a piggy back. I will not name their names because they didn't ask me to. But man common do us all a favor and pull your head out of your ***. You are telling everyone that I am pulling **** out of my ***.. but I have experience with my own car with my own money. so everythign I am saying I know to be true... you on the other hand have read some peoples opinions and devised your own fictional "truths" based on this. So man you are the one who is lying.
Now to back up the last part of my previous statement is going to be this. in 1987-1991 when there weren't alot of affordable Aftermarket EFI units and affordable Front mount intercoolers out there. what do you think people did (especially in Japan)? Oh wait they used piggy backs and added extra fuel to compensate for the Lack of intercooling. Now do a search both on the internet and on the available forums for people who have run big power with stock intercoolers and aftermarket or hybrid (which is aftermarket) turbochargers. There will be lots of examples not only on RX-7's but on lots of other cars.
Now just to say I don't have much stock left on my car other than the interior/frame/transmission/rear end doesn't mean I went straight from stock to this... I didn't, I did it in setps.. made some mistakes... and learned from them to get where I am. check my sig to see.
Now I am no longer going have bukwild inflate his own ego by saying he gave himself a blow job because other people said it can be done.
Because that would not be in line with the original posters wishes. To achieve this this will be my last addition to this thread.So now Terh as I mentioned earlier,
I would suggest the Rteck Chip that uses the SAFC, use your 720's in your primary and buy some 860's for your secondaries.
Get a good T04B(60-1) hi-fi hybrid turbocharger based on S5 and port the WG
Buy a kit or fabricate a descent flowing Front mount intercooler
and get a good quality Blow Off Valve.
This will net you a good 300+ wheel Horse Power. Reliably and safely (assuming tunning has been done properly) And a super fun car to drive from day to day! you will definitely be one of the most if not the most quick car in your area which is what you wanted
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11-23-04, 12:13 AM
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i expect 300+ out of mine with a TMIC and piggy back, it can be done but most people don't know as much as they think they do about internal combustion engines and how to squeeze the most out of what you have to work with. the TMIC and exhaust is about the only limiting aspect of the whole picture, the rest can be ported or tuned or directed for more flow, etc. also assuming you have done the appropriate fuel mods as well.
11-23-04, 12:30 AM
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*sigh* Buk is full of his anti-everything that he doesn't appear to have much experience with, just check out his post about turboing 6ports. I'm pushing well over 300 with my little s-afc, now quite arguing, we all know damn well a standalone is better than an s-afc, but that doesn't mean the SAFC won't work.
11-23-04, 12:37 AM
#43
Since you don't want to spend the money it takes to play just, get a boost controller; Raising the boost in 1st and 2nd gear to 10psi will make the car a lot faster. Best bang for the buck
Another nice little bang for the buck on the stock top mount is a cold air intake, one that sees direct fresh air, either in the brake duct or infront of the radiator.
Another nice little bang for the buck on the stock top mount is a cold air intake, one that sees direct fresh air, either in the brake duct or infront of the radiator.
11-23-04, 12:52 AM
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It'll flood if the engine doesn't catch right away, then that's when WOT comes in handy. 
Also, because you don't have a MBC right now, everything past 6psi is going to feel REALLY slow because your wastegate is opening and it's just creeping up the rest of the way, the car will feel dog slow because the boost really isn't there, if you port the wastegate or use a manual boost controller (ball/spring or electronic) you'll feel like it's a new car.
Also, because you don't have a MBC right now, everything past 6psi is going to feel REALLY slow because your wastegate is opening and it's just creeping up the rest of the way, the car will feel dog slow because the boost really isn't there, if you port the wastegate or use a manual boost controller (ball/spring or electronic) you'll feel like it's a new car.
11-23-04, 07:15 AM
#46
"*sigh* Buk is full of his anti-everything"
Not true but I will not tell a young forum member he should go with a bandaid over a standalone. This forum was designed to help rx owners in making a informed choice so everyone doesn't make the same mistakes. And this thread here is why some of the senior members don't even post here anymore.
Not true but I will not tell a young forum member he should go with a bandaid over a standalone. This forum was designed to help rx owners in making a informed choice so everyone doesn't make the same mistakes. And this thread here is why some of the senior members don't even post here anymore.
11-23-04, 09:04 AM
#47
I think that a bandaid will do, actually.
The problem with most aftermarket EMS systems is that, well, I just don't like them.
soooo many people have had problems with the haltech, and they're really expensive.
an MBC is on the way! I might even pull the turbo and port the wastegate(s)... it doesn't seem to creep THAT badly anymore though, so maybe I'll just wait until I get a hybrid built and do it then.
The problem with most aftermarket EMS systems is that, well, I just don't like them.
soooo many people have had problems with the haltech, and they're really expensive.
an MBC is on the way! I might even pull the turbo and port the wastegate(s)... it doesn't seem to creep THAT badly anymore though, so maybe I'll just wait until I get a hybrid built and do it then.
11-23-04, 10:06 AM
#48
terrh anything your getting above 6psi is creep! if you don't port that thing before you install that boost controller I wouldn't be supprised if you pop your engine. your going to set your boost controller for 10psi and your going to creep to about 14 or more 
Get that thing ported. I was in your same boat but descided with porting because it is way safer to go with reliable boost then to compensate for boost creep.
Get that thing ported. I was in your same boat but descided with porting because it is way safer to go with reliable boost then to compensate for boost creep.
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