looking to get my car to turn just a tad bit better then what it is doing so far right now


I was wondering if I was to get a set of the polyurethane bushing s would that make much of a difference on the handling on the car

Also need to get a coil over kit are the ground control ones worst looking into? Also what would be some good spring rates I think I heard something like 350/275 somewhere on here? how stiff would the car ride? I dont mind having a stiff ride but I do kinda want to be kind to those in the seat next to me. and if I was to get some stiffer springs like that what would be a good shock setup?

I just want something that will keep me neutral through the turns

 

Kind ? Why ? What for ?

 

Don't get the Ground-control kit unless you are gonna upgrade shocks at the same time. 350/275 would give you massive oversteer. 350/200, or 375/225 would be more neutral. I currently have 375/325 and my car has massive oversteer qualities. Its pretty fun I will admit, but no very practical. Anybody who saw me this year auto-x'ing will vouch for my oversteering tendecies If you get stiffer springs and keep your struts stock, then your springs will be way under-dampened. The stiff springs will give the car a stiff bouncy feeling. What you want is a stiff TIGHT feeling. I'm planning on putting 250's in the back, so I'll have 375/250's which should be farely neutral with a tad bit of oversteer which suits my driving style just fine. As long as you have adjustable shocks, the ride shouldn't be too stiff, unless your shocks are set to their stiffest. Springs alone really don't give you the HARSH feeling ride, its mainly the struts that will cause that harsh ride feeling. The KYB AGX's(adjustables) are recommended by a lot of people on this board because they can go stiffer than Tokico's and they are cheaper($370-400 for a set of 4). If you spend about $400 for the GC kit, and about $400 on struts, then I can guarentee your car will handle absolutely badass.

 

SpeedRacer is right about the spring rates and struts. If you want to keep some good ride quality but still upgrade try a set of the Racing Beat springs and some non adjustable Tokico's. Its a noticable improvement but still easy to live with. Something else to consider is your tires. No matter what type of struts, coil springs, bushings and sway-bars you use if the tires are not working good everything else is a waste of money.

 

SpeedRacer and Fprep pretty much covered it.

If you don't want to break the bank go with the RB springs, sway bars and Tokicos - it will transform your car ( had this setup on a '91 N/A) but, again - don't skimp on tires.

I now have a TII and you can see in my sig I've done things differently this time. My spring rates give me just a bit of understeer that I can push deeper by steering deeper into the turn. I like my current setup.

Just to let you know spring rates, sway bar diameters, camber, shock rebound/compression rate are all an orchestra - change one and it will affect your cornering.

I have my front shocks set to 5 (firmest) and it's not bad - really shines at higher speeds (80+) and my rears to 4. I'm thinking about clicking the rears up to 5 and see if that makes me neutral.

NOTE: I have weight in the back due to a system so my car will behave a bit differently with given suspension tweaking.

 

plan on going with the whole spring/shocks all at once

hell no do I want the thing taken apart twice if I dont have to

but with the 375/225 how would that do for normal street driving?


also with the GC how much adjustment do you have for how far up or down the car sits?

as for the person riding next to me guess they can either deal with it or drive on there own

and would the bushing kit make much difference though ?

any ideas with sway bars with the above spring rates? and is there any other shocks out there that would help a bit other then the kyb AGX?

 

come on someone must know if the bushings are worth it

and as for the shocks anything else out there I might wnat to look into

 

From what I've read, bushings will make a bit of a difference in handling, but they will also make your ride on the steet notably harsher.

All your planned upgrades sound like you looking for more than a 'tad' better. You should be ble to accomplish a 'tad' by just upgrading your tires to a 55 or less series and a treadwear of 200 or less.

I've heard very good things about the Falken Azenis.

 

I'm still selling my full GC shock and coilover setup. Let me know if you are interested. I can give them to you with almost any rate springs you want and can make some recomendations.
JOHN

 

With 6" springs, I can go from about stock height to about a 2" drop.

 

Energy Suspension offers a "Master Kit" that does a full polyurethane replacement.&nbsp Is it worth it?&nbsp Hell yes.&nbsp It's a royal pain in the *** to cover all the bushing though...

OOps. full retail is $150 for this full master kit.


-Ted

 

know I also need to get better tires to help with the turns and I am thinking of putting on some 17" rims that look like the OZ F1

what would be the largest size tires I can fit without rubbing though.. oh yeah still have the DTSS and prolly will till after I get the springs/shocks setup on the car.

 

I'm considering getting this kit (spring project) - how complete is it and any issues with fit? On Energy's site, it says the sway bar bushings are 24mm and 14mm, will this fit a TII (I seem to remember that the TII has larger sway bars than the NAs and Energy only shows one size). Does the rear set eliminate/replace the rear stear bushing?

re price, I've seen it advertised for $115 on the web.

TIA,

Henrik
87TII