Tbird

Getting ready to pull my motor and, will be removin everythign to do with emission, and thinking about removing the oil injection.... I just want a super clean engine bay.... Looks like I would just have to dump in 2 cycle oil everytime i fuel up????? Those of you that do this how bad is it haha..

Carzy Driver

not bad at all

7dust

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I premix because I have removed my S5 metering oil pump. Actually it is just relocated to another spot in the engine bay and held with tie wraps because the S5 ECU is a ****** and won't LET me remove it.

Its not a big deal to premix. I buy 2 stroke oil in pint size bottles. One per fill up. Easy and no measuring.

I put it in, toss the empty bottle and fill the tank (from empty). Because a pint is a pre measured dose for a full tank, I don't have to haul around opened and half full bottles of oil.

HAILERS

There is a much better idea than pouing oil in the gas tank EACH time, and that idea was submitted on this forum but that thread sort of died off. Why? Got me.

The fellows idea was this. Remove the omp or just disconnect the lever to it. It'll still inject a small amount of oil, but so what.

Then go to the rear hatch and open it. Pull the rug up.

On the floor to the right, there is an access plate. Remove it.

Under the plate you will see the hose b/t the tank and the filler cap. A large hose. Do nothing to it.

Just an inch aft of that hose is a smaller approx 1/2" hose. A vent hose of sorts to the gas tank. Cut it in the middle and insert a tee. Attach the TEE to the two pieces of cut hose.

The third leg of the tee will go to a gallon tank of two stroke oil. You want to make this leg of the TEE smaller than the other two legs. Make it just a 1/4" OD diameter.

That leg and hose attached to it will go to a gallon container. Preferably a METAL tank/can/reservoir of your own choosing. You want that tank to have some capacity. A gallon is reasonable.

To the bottom side of the new reservoir you attach a common pump of the type that is in the wipers reservoir. You can buy these at AutoZone for fifteen or a bit less in cost.

So now you run a hose b/t the pump and the TEE you just installed.

The washer pump is a simple pump. You need a ground wire for it and a power wire. Connect the power wire to a switch of your own choice. Put the switch near the driver area.

Actually, prior to attaching the hose b/t the pump and the TEE, put the hose in a container with a mark where 16oz is when fluid is at that point. Now, with fluid in the gallon container, operate the switch and count how long in seconds it takes to get the 16o0z in the marked container.

So now you know how long to operate the switch to get oil in the gas tank.

The gallon container can be installed in the spare tire wheel area. Install it WITH the spare tire. Always make sure the container is not higher than the top of the gas tank for obvious reasons.

If the total cost of this is more than twenty bucks, throw in the towel and reattach the omp so it works per design and forget the pre-mix routine. It's on the whole BS (pre-mixing, that is), anyway. OH! Blasphmey! I didn't mean to write that.

There's a few dozen other ways out there. This method satisfies the VOLUME required to cut down on the routine maintanence.

You should not have to refill the reservoir until you've gone through eight gas station refills.

UNLESS your British. Then things change a touch. The British gallon has 160oz vs the USA gallons 128 oz.

So you've got to decide if you going to use USA oz's OR British oz's. Decisons have to be made. Boggles the mind.

battle cattle

exactly...really easy and 1 per fillup! if half a tank the ones I use have a visual side to them and can just use half... pretty simple... no math ;-)

Carzy Driver

or you can find a really nice OMP like I did...




But I still premix... I get the gallon jugs of premix oil at walmart and found a 32 oz watering bottle at a lps that is graduated in oz. just remove the ball bearings in the neck, fill with oil, cap it with a vacuum cap. good to go

Atticus_

no problem. some people have said that when you put the oil in, the nozzle of the gas pump trips if you stick it in right after you put in the oil. I have had this happen a couple of times, but all you have to do is pull the nozzle out a little and it will work fine. The only downside is that im afraid to let anyone drive my car because of the fear of them filling it up and not added 2 stroke... oh well. a good excuse i guess to keep it to myself. lol

HAILERS

If you used a container with an electrical pump, and a Tee as described above, then there's no reason a gas pump would trip. None at all. The Tee isn't in the gas tank fill hose.

And the originator of this thread has a series four car, so that series five pump in the picture won't do much for him. Actually I admit I don't really know what type pump that is in the picture in the post above.

Carzy Driver

join the club.. I found that pump in the back of a bronco at a wrecking yard, it a mech pump with the same footprint of an s4 but has a remote feed.

C.A.R

Sorry to thread jack but how do you know if the oil injectors are working?
I have filled my gas tank 6 or more times and my oil level has not moved... This makes me think the premix may be a good idea as well...

NZConvertible

That's got nothing to do with premix (how would it?), that's just the nature of the FC's filler. I do that every time I fill. I leave about and inch of the nozzle hanging out.

HAILERS

You just warm the engine up fully. Loosen one of the four banjo bolts. Hold the engine speed at 2500 rpm for five minutes and see how much oil you caught in a cup below the loose banjo bolt. In fact, remove the banjo bolt altogether.

It's in the FSM in the LUBRICATION section of the FSM.

C.A.R

Cool... I will check it out... Thanks....

alexdimen

iTrader: (13)

Weird... obviously not a RA adapter. Does it look like someone made it as a one-off?

ryderX

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its not a pain at all.....

HAILERS

There's a problem with RA adapters and any spin off of that adapter. And that problem is having a reservoir of enough VOLUME. By enough VOLUME, I mean a reservoir that will hold enough two stroke oil for more than a couple of fillups.

Look around the engine bay and you tell me where to put a reservoir with 60 plus oz of two stroke oil that will be easy to access when the time comes to refill it.

I picked 60oz because I've a 30 plus oz one in the car now and don't consider that satisfactory. It's a used Benzomatic bottle that's been converted to carry two stroke oil

It's present location is where the charcoal canister was located. Right across from the dear ole turbo with it's heat factor. It's been located around the engine bay at other times. Got it's own dip stick.

In my opinion, the gallon container located in the spare wheel well with an electric pump to feed the fuel tank at fillup time, has the engine bay location beat all to heck.

SpooledupRacing

ok here is what i did.. I went ot Meijer and bought a funnel it is a dmal container with a lid and it have a valve on the bottom of the bottle with a hose comming out of it I stick the hose in the tank.. fill my container with the right amount of oil I feel I will need for the fillup and then I twist the valve to open... all the 2 cycle goes from the funnel down the hose into the tank. once it is done I close the valve and pull out the funnel... then I put the gas nozel in and pump my gas...

no problem takes an extra 60 seconds or so.. and I like doing it I just like the added insurance incase my omp is not working properly...

I use 1/2oz per gallon of gas since I still have my omp on the car

alexdimen

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I know what you mean. I am putting the RA adapter on my FD, which has maybe .025 cubic feet of spare room. The resevoir is going where the AST used to be.

semperdrift

> Okay, I live here in California, specifically in Sacramento. Now I've considered converting my TII or one of my other N/A 7's to premix. My only concern is, will it pass smog in case they do a sniffer test (cops apparently know next to **** about rotaries here... which is a good thing so not worried about the visual).

HAILERS

Two stroke oil in the gas has zip effect on emissions.

boostedfc3s

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so for all of you who have taken the OMP off and run pre-mix, what kind of 2 stroke oil do you all prefer ? I am big into sand drags and motorcross with my fourwheelers and I have my preferences for what oil I use in them. Is there a certain brand that works better in rotaries ?

semperdrift

> Really? Sweet.

semperdrift

> Okay seeing as I've never premixed ever and am about to look that direction. I have one more question.

> I'm assuming the motor will still need regular oil correct? Cause I've heard all this stuff about taking out the oil injectors and OMP and putting in block-off plates, ect, ect. And it's kinda made me tad confused. SO, it's still gonna need good ol' Castrol 20-50 GTX and Oil filter right?

> BTW, I just got off Graveyard shift working in a factory. So if this seems like a dumb question, it's probably because I've been up for 24 hours and working 18 hours and the logic of asking what may turn out to be a simple question that needs no answers hasn't hit me yet..

Alex Rodriguez

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you mean like this clean

NZConvertible

The rest of the lubrication system is unchanged and must be serviced as it's always been. Only the method of getting oil onto the inner friction surfaces has changed.