Protege Menace

hey now..... my car has 1.5L and only has 92 hp >:O

its not fast (17.x), but its a nice little car, and once we get some cheap turbo kits they'll be something

Liquid Anarchy

iTrader: (2)

For the love of god, I know there's an N/A RX-7 here that's ran faster than a mid-15. Anyone have a track slip? Or will I have to put mine together in a hurry and head down to the local ¼?

AbecX

Obvisouly there isnt to many. N/A is slow, these engines just dont have the displacament to put out any kind of torque or hp numbers, hell my entire hp and torque curve probably doubles yours ( up to 5500 rpm ) and you guys still think you can walk mustangs maybe one thats missing on 3 cylinders and has more problems then Win 3.1

turboGXL

This is such a stupid thread. I hate to say it but both the mustang and NA are turds in stock form. As for comparing models of cars.....If you are comparing the high end V8 mustang against the low end NA seven that's likle comparing a turbo seven against a v6 mustang. They are apples and oranges. You need to try comparing a high end mustang (V8) to a high end RX7 (turbo). In that matchup stock vs. stock the mustang WILL lose. As for you saying "no replacement for displacement" I know for a fact that many of your mustang buddies are getting turbo kits put on their stangs.

This is such a stupid argument. I've seen minivans run 12sec quarter miles but nobody says "Minivans are the fastest thing on the road" Basically, it's all about money and skill, not what nameplate you have on your car!

AbecX

any car that costs less the $20k is a turd in stock form, I'm not saying mustangs are the end all be all, but someone claiming they walk them w/ a car that has less horsepower then a go cart is just looking to be slapped in the back of the head.

Exactly my point, but not all the 5.0's were top of the line, I have a LX coupe, it was only a step up from the 4 cylinder model w/ 3 more higher end options above it Someone saying there bottom of the line rx7 can hold a candle to a car with much more torque and hp is just ignorant.

I'm not saying adding a blower or a turbo to a car is bad for business, I think its the one of the best ways to get power, especially once you've been in a car that pulls harder in thrid then it does in first But dont knock it till you've been in a car w/ a 514 that runs 9's in n/a trim. Just thinking about it makes my neck hurt from all the torque.

Exactly, most of the people that have been posting up are talking about how their cars should preform compared to other cars with similar mods they want to do in the future. Lets face facts people, the n/a are slow, and adding a FULL EXHAUST system is not going to add 28% horsepower.

rico05

turboGXL...HAHAHAHAHAHA!! That is the first time I have ever read any moron call the N/A a turd in stock form. Man, your stupidity cracks me up!! And any car that costs less than $20k is a turd!?!?! HAHAHAHAAHAHA!! You know so little it blows ones mind!! Have a good one!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!!

AbecX

I know all about owner loyality, but the fastest 2 rotor N/A going 14.01 is almost as cool as bragging about a civic running a 16.9 @ 80mph

Show me any new car you can buy that costs under $20k that will get you a 13 second timeslip?? Didnt think so. The best car for the money is a Ls1 running 12.9's in stock form and only costing $23k. Anything above a 14 is slow, hell 13's are slow, and you guys are saying 15's and 16's are fast?

rico05

No use takin to you anymore. Mustang mentality....

VetteKiller

you Sir, are an idiot:

Everyone knows how to read stats for stock vehicles, so we all know what cars are faster with EQUAL drivers. When you start talking mods the only way to truly tell is timeslips and dyno numbers. now drop the topic and let us office rats get back to work instead of proving you wrong all day, good day

AbecX

Thats odd, I dont remember talking once about the mustang in the previous post. Is going fast considered mustang mentality to you?

UniqueTII

I really hope you're kidding...he knows enough to do a turbo swap into his GXL so that he has a fast car to drive. N/As are slow as ****...I hate to remind most of the N/A drivers, but their cars aren't fast. There is no argument for that. If they don't want mind numbing acceleration, that's fine, but no matter how they whine, the power still isn't there. Hell, my TII isn't that fast, and if someone told me that a 14.1 isn't anything to be proud of, I'd agree. I do, however, have a better platform to work with as far as making power goes. Now comes the argument that the RX-7 isn't a straight line car, and I should be shot for discussing drag times. Well, my TII (in stock condition) has better brakes and stiffer suspension than most N/As, so it would shine on road courses as well. Denial isn't healthy, kids.

For the record, I have quite a few friends who own N/As and love them...but they also love it when I let them drive my car. I don't have anything against N/A owners in general...if they are realistic about the cars they own. Don't talk about someone elses fast car and act like yours is the same deal (this goes for all cars). Accept what you have and enjoy what it can do.

rico05

No, you just obviously have the Mustang mentality that "fast" is only in a straight line. Guess what? Mazda never intended to make it a straight line beast. They left that job for low tech American cars with crappy hp/weight numbers and 3000lb+ chassis for that. The FC is a HANDLING car. There are many different definitions of fast. If you want fast in a straight line, yes, you got a Stang. (I am not doggin on them, as a matter of fact, I have wanted a super charged 93 Cobra since I was a kid). Fast around a corner, track, autox course, get a FC.

UniqueTII

And if you want both, get a TII or FD.

rico05

I am ******* sick and tired of everyone ******* on N/A. I could care less how fast your car is in a straight line. Whooptie freakin doo, you can drive in a straight line!! Yay!! You can do the most rudimentary of driving skills!! Yay!! You win....a COOKIE!!!

banzaitoyota

"Well, my TII (in stock condition) has better brakes and stiffer suspension than most N/As, so it would shine on road courses as well. Denial isn't healthy, kids"

What about GXL Brakes and suspension??? Same Brakes, Less weight that tII(please correct if i am wrong)

rico05

Well, considering that the factory numbers show that the GXL runs a faster slolam speed, and pulls more lateral G's on the skid pad than a TII...Hmmm. You're right!! Denial is not a good thing. Lemmie go find the chart for ya!!

UniqueTII

I wonder if that's why I said "most"...hmmm, I bet that's it.

AbecX

blah blah blah. I never said that mazda created them for straight line performance, but some of the people on here are claiming they can beat cars that are made for straight line performance, let alone the 28% more power from exhaust

The first thing I noticed about the rx7 I bought is the size of the brakes compared to the power and weight of the car. I can tell its going to be a stopping monster. I could honestly care less about running around in circles wasting expensive tires, warping rotors and replacing brake pads every other weekend because of the road racing I do. If I wanted to do that, I would buy a car that that comes with 13" Cross Drilled brakes, way more horsepower and a turbo to help pull out of them corners because mostly likely the engine is going to be putting out 220hp @ 6400 rpms to keep the 50/50 weight ratio w/ a small displacement engine.

All I'm saying is N/A motors are slow and your not going to get anything out of them let alone beat cars that are made to kick *** on the street. I'd rather launch w/ a 1.5 60ft and hit the end of the track @ 120 then run 4-5 miles in circles.

banzaitoyota

In my area there are more GXL's on the road than se's or TII's. maybe Perhaps the rust belt is different.

UniqueTII

Slalom and skidpad...those are real tests...but they are about as valuable as straight line acceleration. The idea when road racing is to have a car that can do all of them well, which often involves compromise. The GXL has less weight to throw around, and therefore holds the road a little better, but the TII can make up for the difference with acceleration.

UniqueTII

It's not a comparison between TIIs and GXLs. To say "most N/As" and be leaving out the GXL and GTUs, there simply has to be a lot more other model N/As than there is of those two models. Jesus, this is really ******* simple.

rico05

What "kicks ***" on the street? Mustang GTs? Beaten 2 5.0s, 3 SN95s from lights. Trans Ams? Highway raced 2: 96, and a 97. I did not beat, but they got no more than 6-8 feet in front of me. (that their nose in relation to mine). Firebirds? Ha. Easy. Yes, from a stop, no way can I hang with those (I mean TAs that is), cuz the N/A just does not have any torque at all. Yeah, a TII would rock b/c it has the bottom end that the N/A lacks. I will never beleive anyone who says that an N/A is a "turd" or is slow. Sorry I have gotten so defensive, and been quite rude to ya'll, but it just pisses me off when my love is insulted. It's like someone calling your rex a "Rice burner" to your face. I love TII, but my first passion is N/A. On my next N/A, I will be doing a TII swap eventually, but right now, I am enjoying the challenge of N/A.

TKE

When are you people gonna learn?!? Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win you are still retarted.

AbecX

Rico05, Mustangs are slow, so are lt1 trans am. Like I said before 14's are not anything to write home about. But I bet you $20 the next time you come up here, I'll race you in my wifes stock 1990 coupe and I bet i can pull you by an easy 6 cars before 100mph.

rico05

1990 coupe what? RX-7? N/A or TII? Never had much of a problem with either, however all the FCs here in my town are stock.