fazzt73

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Elio, I just caught up with your multiple threads regarding our company.. I was going to replace the sunroof with another one as our agreement; instead I will install it in a FC to document the procedure.
The panels are made by a 2 compression molds top and bottom they are joined together while in the mold to produce the panel making it almost impossible to warp, this means that one part is identical in size and shape to others produced from that mold.
In the past speedmachineperformance sold at least 15 units, retro-spec has sold at least 5. We never experienced the issues you have with your sunroof panel.
I will post the results in all your threads good or bad.
We can figure out by then what to do with your panel.

Thanks, Paulo Sierra
Retro-spec.

magus2222

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knofs, youre funny. and retro-spec, i would like to see a cf sunroof panel properly sized and fitted.
good follow up though. took a little long though, but thats ok, you can police the internet regarding your company.
when i see progress, im in for a cf sr panel
oh, since we are on the subjec, how is fitment for everything else? and with the dimister grilles, i would like to see cf grilles, not eliminators.

peace

KNONFS

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I know, thats all i have in this life

KNONFS

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Paulo, WOW, you are back after all this time?

Lets start by the begining, so that our audience doesn't get confused. You mentioned per "our agreement"...

Here is your response (on Jan 17, 2008) to my last email (sent on Dec 30, 2007), if thats what you call an agreement, so be it.

Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:11:33 -0800 (PST)
--- paulo sierra <fazzt73@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Elio i have another one here
> ill pay for shipping for this one if you would send
> me then other one back.
> if you have the same problem there is something
> wrong on the assembly or your car
> i never had this issue ive sold at least 15 units.
> lmk, Paulo.

Now, let me ask you a question, today is Jan 24, 2008; where is the sun roof?

Now you might argue that you have been away, and somebody else was using your PC; and asuming that the RX7club.com is your homepage, that would explain why your account was showing "forum activity". The only problem is that you HAVE posted on the forum, so there is no excuse. I got tired of trying to reach you through emails, pm, and even replying to your posts on the forum; and now all of the sudden we had an agreement?

Your process description sounds cool and everything, but the one I got from you does not fit. Thanks for nothing, and to be honest; at this point, I don't really expect anything from you.

BTW - Thanks for your last email:

--- paulo sierra <fazzt73@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You can keep your sunroof the way it is.
> I just read your thread.
> Paulo.

LOL, I hope you are not claiming that you JUST noticed my post

classicauto

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I have no bones in this matter but I'm going to offer an entirely objective viewpoint.

Is you car original paint? Has it never seen a body shop in its life?

What methods of fitment have you tried so far?

How high does the panel actually stick up at its worst? 1/8"? 1/4"? 1/2"?

The thing with fiberglass of CF in any and all cases, is it doesn't fit. Never in my life and career as a body man have I ever, and I mean ever, seen an aftermarket made panel that you could un box, bolt up and be entirely pleased with the fitment. Some might call me fussy, but thats just how I see it. Even a $2750 dry carbon hood for a C6 Corvette I installed had to have some trimming and repairing done for a perfect fit. Thats probably more money then most FC guys spent to buy their car.

In short, don't ever buy any piece of CF or FG and be surprised when you install it to find out re-shaping and re-working is necessary to fit it. Esepcially if you're car's body has a history that you don't know about. I'm not saying your car was wrecked, but maybe its been painted a few times, maybe there's build up in some areas making it worse. A bumper would be more prone to this then a sunroof as small damages are more feasible there then the roof however, but my point still remains.

opeth13

My sunroof is busted and I would be willing to test fit that on my FC to see if it would fit, and (if I could afford it at the moment) I would pay you what you paid for it if it fit my FC. However, since I don't want to spend money on a CF sunroof atm, maybe there is someone on here that is willing to take you up on a similar offer (test fit first, if it fits, they pay you, if not, it was worth a shot, they send it back, you're still stuck with it). If there is someone out there that was considering buying the CF sunroof from this merchant, make KNONFS an offer, if it fits, you both win.

KNONFS

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It was on its original paint, however the car did had some minor damage on the rear passenger quarter panel. It was a 3 in X 1.5 in section, that was fixed with bondo.

As I was the one one sanded and painted the car, I can tell you that the roof had no body work done to it what so ever, same goes with the OEM sun roof (except that it was rusted out)

None, the sun roof is a straight on bolt on. are there some fitment methods that I should try?

That depends on the corner, one of the sections sticks out by about 1/4".


I can see that on bumpers, spoilers, and fenders, on a sun roof?

If you can give me some pointers, I will try them out

KNONFS

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I never thought of test fitting it on another FC, luckily for me; I have more than one FC in my possesion

Slammedblk7

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Damn dude! Good luck!

classicauto

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Right on.

Get inside the car and mark where the sunroof rests on the bracketry. Take it off and grind these areas down (grinding the portions relative to the areas that sit higher vs. the roof....some corners are higher then others, grind those more) If its only 1/4" ish, you should be able to easily remove that much material from the inside and still maintain strength. Give that a shot......

EDIT: Also, you can tweak the frame slightly to provide some adjustment, or drop the headliner and lower the entire assembly slightly.






Which is why i said less likely on a roof, however I have seen cases where I've stripped the roof area, and found the corners of the roof to be lower then the original sunroof, requring bodywork to bring them level again which is why its definetly worth mentioning.

fazzt73

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Thats what we will do, fitment is good no complains, pretty much no returns.
it did suprise me when the panel in question didnt fit.
there is opinions on finish quality some people want to comb their hair with the reflection on their parts, some people dont care that much.
i might do a deminister grille, but i dont have stock ones handy.
if anybody wants to volunteer them and get a free set PM me.
Paulo.

fazzt73

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you maybe right when you say it doesnt fit, but im not there to verify the install or the hardware in your car.
i took some time yes, but i offered a solution, you took 6 months to make a claim that a part doesnt fit i have a right to doubt it specially with no previous history of that problem, now with the install well get to the bottom of this, and we can work something out if you want by then.
Paulo.

KNONFS

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What is there to verify? Any special aboout it? If so, it should mention it on the installation instructions...

Ohh wait, there was no instructions.

You did took SOME time, but I am sorry, I probably missed your solution; what was it again?

Fair enough, however you were VERY aware that my car was at the body shop (getting painted, not fixed); I told you BEFORE I bought the sun roof, and AFTER I received the sun roof, and promised to give you some feedback on it.

Your history sound fishy, first you claim to have sold over 15 sun roofs, and then 20. On any case, do you have a list of those who purchased the sun roof? any pics? I would be more than happy to contact them.

Let me see if I get this straight, if I install the sun roof on a second FC; and the issue still remains, what exactly are you offering?

F1blueRx7

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I think he already stated that he didn't have the time to install it initially, but that shouldn't make a difference in my opinion as it doesn't affect the problem at hand. I know KNONFS through professional contact and I can assure you he is not a kid trying to throw you a curve ball. He's a mature adult he's got gray hair for christ sake No offense.

The pictures, despite being blurry speak to the fitment of the product rather then just a verbal or written claim. I'd say ship him a replacement with a return label for the defective product, if the new one doesn't fit either, then look a little deeper. It's good customer service on your part to get it taken care of before a post like this one comes up.

F1blueRx7

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You're more then welcome to come up and install it on my FC. Despite being bastardized, the roof and sunroof are stock.

KNONFS

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Ohh SNAP

Non taken

fazzt73

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Here is the information regarding the sunroof install for the FC.
Let me start by stating that the CF panel turned out to be thicker then the OEM one
The inner part being fiberglass springs back a bit pushing the sunroof higher.
Here is what we did to make it fit:

1) Opening the sunroof mounting holes to accommodate any error in the stud alignment.



2)Getting rid of the washers so it sits lower,


3)Sanding down any debris or material interfering with the sunroof and the bracket.




4) Finished results.




The sunroof that’s in question will not accept the OEM gasket; there is a change that has been made to the part I installed and will be done to the mold, if you Helio want to ship back the one you have I will exchange it for the tried and fitted one in the picture, that will take the oem gasket.
Thanks and let me know, Paulo.

F1blueRx7

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It's good to know that you identified the problem and are finally ready to fix it

KNONFS

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Pablo,

Why should I send the faulty sun roof back, so that you can replace it? Why don't you ship me a GOOD CF sun roof, and once I receive the new & improve CF panel, I will return the bad one.


The way I see it, I am currently on the hole, but I least I have the evidence (a BAD product); why ship out and be out of money and the evidence?

I mean after all, its not like you have been answering my emails, PMs, or posting on my threads.

What do you say, you ship me a good CF sun roof, and I promise you that I'll send the bad one back (heck I'll even pay for S&H). If you really come through with this, I'll promise you that I will let everybody know, that you finally came through.

What do you say? Deal? If so, do you need my address again?

magus2222

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hey KNONFS, just to let you know, paulo has been catching some flack not just here, but in hybridz.org forums as well. hes a good person that intends well, he just gets busy and sometimes gives up quality, and responsiveness. i see what you are saying, but give him the benifit of the doubt. ive seen his business on 3 different forums. so far he has overall good rep, just give him the benifit of the doubt, and itll work out.
im not vouching for either side, but being a businessman myself (i know, im only 20) i know how both sides feel.

peace

fazzt73

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I havent posted in any of your multiforum Threads because there was nothing to report, i told you and the people in here i needed an install to get to the bottom of it, there wasnt an FC around it just took some time.
i will get the sunroof out ASAP, then you can send me your evidence.
Paulo.

KNONFS

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Paulo,

Not trying to be an ***, but...

I posted pictures of the sun roof, installed on a second FC; and that's beside the fact that you have sold over 20 of them (and never had a problem), yet you just found that there is in fact an issue with the mold?

On any case, I am not sure if I want the "improve panel"; those pics look funny, the OEM seal has not been installed on the panel (a potential problem, that has not been tested?), plus having to drill a hole out (I mean, wow, it really needs to be drilled).

If I would've had this info before I purchased the panel, I would've pass on it (to be 100% honest). My proposal to you, instead of sending me the new "improved" CF sun roof panel; I would rather have one of your less complex CF items (hard to have a bad mold onthose items).

For example, I paid $225 for the CF sun roof panel, would you consider replacing the bad CF panel for:
2 - MAZDA 86-91 RX7 CARBON FIBER RADIATOR PANEL = $79.99

You can keep the $65 ($159.98 - $225) difference for the hassle and wasted time. What do you say?

KNONFS

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I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and will go further, if he actually comes through.

The only problem is that the improved panel, loos like still have some issues.

KNONFS

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Any updates?

Brismo7

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interesting..