S5 TII Rats nest removal write-up
12-21-03, 05:35 PM
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The FSM does show it to be separate though so mazda didn't really accurately provide the info in the FSM
but that just goes to show that not everything is in the FSM.
The subtleness is your subtle way of poking at people.
This is an instance that goes to show us all that the FSM isn't the be all end all bible for our car's systems. Mazda isn't perfect so don't take everything to be fact that you see in the FSM they could be wrong.
Santiago
PS- Onto cutting!
EDIT: thanks Tony.
but that just goes to show that not everything is in the FSM.
The subtleness is your subtle way of poking at people.
This is an instance that goes to show us all that the FSM isn't the be all end all bible for our car's systems. Mazda isn't perfect so don't take everything to be fact that you see in the FSM they could be wrong.
Santiago
PS- Onto cutting!
EDIT: thanks Tony.
12-21-03, 10:57 PM
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More FSM humor. In the install section for the turbo engine on my 91 FSM they drew the intercooler backwards
Also, if you do remove the boost sensor from the harness it will light the check engine light. Not sure if it causes limp mode though.
James
Also, if you do remove the boost sensor from the harness it will light the check engine light. Not sure if it causes limp mode though.
James
12-22-03, 01:14 AM
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ill agree completely with aaron, 90% of people who attempt this, end up with a car that dosnt run right. the other 10% that have a decent running car after this mod, are the ones that have a stand alone EMS.
12-22-03, 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Wankel7
More FSM humor. In the install section for the turbo engine on my 91 FSM they drew the intercooler backwards
More FSM humor. In the install section for the turbo engine on my 91 FSM they drew the intercooler backwards
Originally posted by bejbis
ill agree completely with aaron, 90% of people who attempt this, end up with a car that dosnt run right. the other 10% that have a decent running car after this mod, are the ones that have a stand alone EMS.
ill agree completely with aaron, 90% of people who attempt this, end up with a car that dosnt run right. the other 10% that have a decent running car after this mod, are the ones that have a stand alone EMS.
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12-22-03, 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
I perfectly well know this modification does not add HP but what it does add is simplicity.
I perfectly well know this modification does not add HP but what it does add is simplicity.
Not a jab specific on you, but an attitude I see displayed everywhere on this forum.
I live in an area that has ZERO emmissions tests that means no visiual either. With as little systems on the vehicle it becomes increasingly easier to trouble shoot a problem because there are less things that could possibly be broken. That is my reason for doing this.
The fact that I or others can't figure it out is not a good reason for not doing something.
Purge Valve- I don't have a purge valve on my N/a and it works perfectly every day, night, what have you. I have zero starting problems eve in the colder months of the year. I usually don't even have to hold the idle for her.
I do however have the charcoal canister in place on my 87 because the thought of fuel vapors around my car is not a good one at all. I have yet to descide if everything will go on my car but I will see how things go.
12-22-03, 11:17 AM
#33
Originally posted by Aaron Cake
I love this attitude. Rip it off because I don't understand it!
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>Why would I need to retain a system that is no longer needed? I won't have a catalitic converter anymore nor an air pump.<
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No, the reason for doing this is because you don't understand the emissions system, and therefore can't troubleshoot it.
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Your giving me MY reason for doing something? Forgive me but I didn't tell you why you did your turbo N/a.
If something isn't needed then its gone. I no longer need the emmissions rack therefore it can be tossed out. This isn't going to be a daily driven car it will be a weekend car only required to run under good conditions therefore dirvability issues are probably not going to bother me since it will just be driven a couple of miles to the drag strip or trailered to the autocross coarse.
YOur saying that because I don't understand something I take it off. Well I don't understand turbo's very well but its going to stay on my car how do you explain that?
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It is a VERY good reason for not doing it. More then likely, the person who doesn't understand the process also doesn't understand the consequences. I have worked on a great number of hacked up RX-7s resulting from someone who "read on the Internet that removing (insert component here) makes it run better".
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Which is why there should be easy to follow and understand directions for how to do things in a manor that isn't going to make the car run like crap. You have to do everything the proper way and not leave loose ends behind.<
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Since when does the purge valve effect starting?
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I was being general about rats nest removal. My N/a has zero emmissions and I guess now i am throwing out that charcoal canister too <
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Without the purge valve, the charcoal canister is useless. I think I just proved my point.
I love this attitude. Rip it off because I don't understand it!
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>Why would I need to retain a system that is no longer needed? I won't have a catalitic converter anymore nor an air pump.<
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No, the reason for doing this is because you don't understand the emissions system, and therefore can't troubleshoot it.
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Your giving me MY reason for doing something? Forgive me but I didn't tell you why you did your turbo N/a.
If something isn't needed then its gone. I no longer need the emmissions rack therefore it can be tossed out. This isn't going to be a daily driven car it will be a weekend car only required to run under good conditions therefore dirvability issues are probably not going to bother me since it will just be driven a couple of miles to the drag strip or trailered to the autocross coarse.
YOur saying that because I don't understand something I take it off. Well I don't understand turbo's very well but its going to stay on my car how do you explain that?
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It is a VERY good reason for not doing it. More then likely, the person who doesn't understand the process also doesn't understand the consequences. I have worked on a great number of hacked up RX-7s resulting from someone who "read on the Internet that removing (insert component here) makes it run better".
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Which is why there should be easy to follow and understand directions for how to do things in a manor that isn't going to make the car run like crap. You have to do everything the proper way and not leave loose ends behind.<
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Since when does the purge valve effect starting?
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I was being general about rats nest removal. My N/a has zero emmissions and I guess now i am throwing out that charcoal canister too
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Without the purge valve, the charcoal canister is useless. I think I just proved my point.
12-23-03, 01:08 PM
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I just wanted to bump this up a little so I don't have to search for an hour to find it. hehe
I also wanted to give an update on what I am doing. At the moment the only thing that holds me up is the fact that my Dremel bit for making my block off plates snapped in half
But I did get some plates done. I want to hear some oppinions of how they compare to proffesionally made ones.
Santiago
I also wanted to give an update on what I am doing. At the moment the only thing that holds me up is the fact that my Dremel bit for making my block off plates snapped in half
But I did get some plates done. I want to hear some oppinions of how they compare to proffesionally made ones.
Santiago
12-24-03, 01:08 PM
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A question has arisen from looking at the UIM there is a little valve on the rear side. While searching for it in the FSM I discovered that it is a "Solenoid Valve" otherwise called the Air supply valve. This little sucker is supposed to work in conjuntcion with the AWS system. My question is: Does it dow anything else?
Otherwise it will also be removed and blocked!
Santiago
Otherwise it will also be removed and blocked!
Santiago
12-24-03, 01:47 PM
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For my part, I have explained in detail what can and can not be removed. I don't know what more you expect to gain by continuing to bump this thread. You have the FSM, which has detailed lists of part names, functions, and test procedures, so there should be no doubt as to what does what.
12-24-03, 01:57 PM
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I just wanted to make sure that I don't remove something that has a dual purpose. Like I said I checked the FSM and it says that it is used with the AWS but I wanted to know if it does anything else as I don't trust the FSM anymore.(atleast not 100% trust it)
12-24-03, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
>Why would I need to retain a system that is no longer needed? I won't have a catalitic converter anymore nor an air pump.<
>Why would I need to retain a system that is no longer needed? I won't have a catalitic converter anymore nor an air pump.<
its ppl like you that cause problems for ppl like me.... what is the reason for taking out the air pump? no reason, if you dont have a cat then thats fine, but leave the air pump in there, otherwise you might screw the next owner...what if you sell this in a few years and the guy that bought it lives or moves to an emissions area and now has to get the parts for all the emissions stuff, have it installed by someone or install it themselves if they cant, and then get the piping and all the crap that used to be there custom made to hook up to the cat so it wont crap out on them...this is happening to me right now, the last owner took out a bunch of crap too that is "unneeded" and im paying out the *** for stuff i shouldnt have to just so i can pass the stupid emissions...
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12-24-03, 02:35 PM
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what is the reason for taking out the air pump? no reason,
There are reasons. And its His car.
I do not have an airpump on my car. I removed it, because it was not needed. I removed my ACV too and it is blocked off. If you consider this a problem, then it is a problem for no one else but me.
If you buy a car with stuff missing, that's your deal. Santiago has nothing to do with your problems. Its people like you who buy stuff without taking the time to consider your purchase as being sound. Therefore its people like you who should be blaming themselves, instead of creating some adolecent diatribe about other people removing stuff from cars they own, period.
12-24-03, 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Templeswain
what is the reason for taking out the air pump? no reason,
There are reasons. And its His car.
I do not have an airpump on my car. I removed it, because it was not needed. I removed my ACV too and it is blocked off. If you consider this a problem, then it is a problem for no one else but me.
If you buy a car with stuff missing, that's your deal. Santiago has nothing to do with your problems. Its people like you who buy stuff without taking the time to consider your purchase as being sound. Therefore its people like you who should be blaming themselves, instead of creating some adolecent diatribe about other people removing stuff from cars they own, period.
what is the reason for taking out the air pump? no reason,
There are reasons. And its His car.
I do not have an airpump on my car. I removed it, because it was not needed. I removed my ACV too and it is blocked off. If you consider this a problem, then it is a problem for no one else but me.
If you buy a car with stuff missing, that's your deal. Santiago has nothing to do with your problems. Its people like you who buy stuff without taking the time to consider your purchase as being sound. Therefore its people like you who should be blaming themselves, instead of creating some adolecent diatribe about other people removing stuff from cars they own, period.
yes im sorry i was not all knowledgeable about rotaries, and rx7's to be particular, when i went to buy the car, and of COURSE i knew to pop the hood open and check every little piece of crap in there to make sure if it was there or not, im sure everyone does that when looking at a car they've never driven let alone read about before...
i never said he couldnt do it, it is his car and he can do whatever he wants, i just dont see the purpose of removing it.. if it's unhooked or plugged thats one thing, thats not a big deal, but what is the real point of removing some of this stuff? to save like 2 lbs and free up an extra half an inch?
12-24-03, 03:43 PM
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I am removing all this stuff and will continue doing so. The thing is that most people here buy a car and then sell it a couple of years later when they don't like it anymore. I am a fighter and a struggler. I will never sell my Rx-7's. If I had the money I would have bought all the ones in town already and I would not sell not even one. I don't care how bad a shape a car is it is just about always fixable. My car looks like a complete junker but who knows it might be running 12's by next december if I am good a working on her. Its people that give up on cars that suck. 
EDIT::: The purpose of removing the air pump is that I don't need it there because its function as the ACV's is to provide extra oxygen to the catalitic converter. With it still on there I don't have a use for it without a cat. It will just take up space, look ugly, make funny noises, and waste power. Allbeit maybe only a pony or two but I come from the land of N/a's where every pony counts.
Santiago
PS- I will never give up on my 7's.
Oh and btw back on topic. I am nearing completion of the removal. I am taking way longer because of multiple setbacks that occured back to back but now I am full steam ahead. Hopefully my editor is online when I finish so we can organize this thing properly and make it better for those that need a good write-up.
EDIT::: The purpose of removing the air pump is that I don't need it there because its function as the ACV's is to provide extra oxygen to the catalitic converter. With it still on there I don't have a use for it without a cat. It will just take up space, look ugly, make funny noises, and waste power. Allbeit maybe only a pony or two but I come from the land of N/a's where every pony counts.
Santiago
PS- I will never give up on my 7's.
Oh and btw back on topic. I am nearing completion of the removal. I am taking way longer because of multiple setbacks that occured back to back but now I am full steam ahead. Hopefully my editor is online when I finish so we can organize this thing properly and make it better for those that need a good write-up.
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12-24-03, 04:46 PM
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if it's unhooked or plugged thats one thing, thats not a big deal, but what is the real point of removing some of this stuff? to save like 2 lbs and free up an extra half an inch?
Sometimes stuff gets in the way. Having it in there when you don't need it could mean extra work removing components that do nothing for you in order to get to the parts that do.
this is happening to me right now, the last owner took out a bunch of crap too that is "unneeded" and im paying out the *** for stuff i shouldnt have to just so i can pass the stupid emissions...
Well, I do not know what you're missing but I have a bunch of N/A parts that I would be happy to help you with. Provided 1: I don't need or want it. 2: you pay shipping for the parts and that's it.
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Just to throw this piece of info out there, my fuel line and my turbo oil line are attached in the same way as santiago's on my 87 turbo 2 that I'm pulling the enigne on. I didn't see any comments about the fuel line but I assume that it's that way normally and just needs to get cut.
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