rx7dawg

Hey guys, Just curious on who you think can run close with the 2nd generation Rx-7s as far as stock for those particular years in the import division(I mean Rice not european).

Scott 89t2

mr2 turbo, that would be it for imports

r0gu3

MKIII's can definitely stay with 2nd gens.
-r0gu3

RETed

Uh, no it can't...at least turbo versus turbo, it's not even close.

The SW20 turbo is a good close competitor.
Add to that the Acura Integra GS-R (I know the I can hear the boo's now), DSM turbos...stock for stock.&nbsp This is mostly a horsepower and acceleration comparo, as suspension-wise, only the SW20 can come close.

Supra MkIII turbo only does 230hp on a 3500# chassis.&nbsp It'll be a couple tenths off in the acceleration department, but suspension-wise, it's a boat!&nbsp stock for stock...


-Ted

KenshinFC

Hmm.. what cars?

SW20
Celica GT4
MKIII Supra Turbo
Integra Type R
Civic Type R
S13 Silvia
S14 Silvia
Mitsu Eclipse Turbo
Mitsu Evo Lancer (II,III)
R32 Skyline

Hmm.. thats all I can think of right now.. am I missing any other car besides NEW NEW ones, they don't count.

- Kevin

Gefunk

I don't quite know about the Lan Evo III, my friend had one with that stupid WRC misfiring system...hmmm the same as Kyochi on Initial D now that I think of it. Anyway that car was FAST and I don't mean like a highly modded FD fast I mean a 4WD beast FAST. And better than that it had sick suspension and **** and was and still is one of the fastest road warriors on the east coast...God Rest it's Sole (Hello Lan Evo VII and finally LHD). Anyway, I have never ridden in an R32 only seen one go fast. None of the rest of them besides the MR2 SW20 would ever come close to being in the range of an FC. Oops my opinion

kabooski

no no please compare performance cars that where in our years

as stated above

UniqueTII

What about the supercharged MKI MR2? The turbo MR2s came out in '90, so they fit in there too, but how does a MKI stand up against an S4?

kabooski

well they came out only with a Auto
so it was a week competition
unless your on the freeway

UniqueTII

What car only came with auto, the MKI MR2?

Scott 89t2

mk1 SC isn't too fast. 160 or so hp. and it comes in 5 speed

forgot about talon/ mista.

I guess 300xz TT and steath too.

KenshinFC

These cars are in the FC years.

Celica GT4 1988-1993
SW20 1990-1995?
J-spec S13 Silvia 1989-1994
R32 Skyline 1989-1993

- Kevin

RETed

Already mentioned...

Totally forgot about them, but the U.S. only got the ST165 and ST185 versions.&nbsp 200hp on a heavier AWD chassis makes for a formidable opponent, but the heavier 3400# chassis is a major disadvantage.

Aleady mentioned...

I mentioned the IT-R, but the U.S. didn't get the lighter CT-R.&nbsp Both cars are pretty close in terms of acceleration numbers.&nbsp The CT-R has less power, but it makes it up with less weight versus the IT-R.

None issues in the U.S., although they are pretty even matches in Japan.&nbsp This would probably be me other option if I never got into the FC, and they brought it over or if I lived in Japan.

Mentioned as a "DSM Turbo"...


I don't think these are in the same class.&nbsp Come on, 300hp on an AWD chassis?&nbsp The EVO should smoke the FC3S, stock for stock...

Almost the same class as the EVO - 300hp on AWD will smoke the FC3S.&nbsp This is a 13-second car STOCK.&nbsp It's more an FD class vehicle...




-Ted

mazdaspeed7

Im suprised nobody has mentioned the 300Z's. I dont remember any performance numbers off-hand, but I think its pretty close th the FC's.

RETed

Z32 twin-turbos are a solid mid-14 second car; some of the later models with 320hp will do low 14's stock.&nbsp The non-sequential twin-turbos (one per bank) on a 3.0liter V-6 engine makes way too much torque for a stock FC turbo, stock for stock.&nbsp 300hp (320hp on later ones) is a lot of power; the 3400# weight makes it a boat though.&nbsp I wouldn't call it close - just by the numbers, the Z32 should has an easy 3-4 car length lead in a 1/4-mile drag...



-Ted

mazdaspeed7

I was referring to the previous body style 300Z. I think its a much closer match to the FC's of similar years.

RETed

Z31 is tooo damn slow.&nbsp It's really a mid-16 second car in the 1/4-mile, and an NA FC will give it a hard time!&nbsp The weight was still in the 3400# for a Z31 turbo, so that is the reason why it's such a boat, even with a turbo!



-Ted

mazdaspeed7

I didnt realize it was so slow. One of my friends had one before I got a car. I never thought it was slow, but then again, I never really had anything to compare it to.

RETed

Yep, you should try and race that thing...
I just found http://www.z31.com/ - very nice site and has a lot of info...
170hp to the wheels, which is like 200bhp.
Garrett T3 single turbo pushing 4-5psi.
The magazine numbers they quote make it a mid to high 15-second 1/4-mile performer, but if we compare magazine numbers with a stock FC turbo that's easily a half a second difference.&nbsp I must run into all the auto trans ones, cause the Z31 turbo auto trans is a high-15 to low-16 second cars.


-Ted

RotaryMiata

Hey RETed,

No offense, but I think some numbers are a little off.

I don't think the EVO II and III were 300ps... more like 265-ish... And (stock for stock) could only sting a 280ps FD through 2nd/3rd gear at best. Though not AWD, FD's launch particularly well, and would overtake a II very quickly. However, if a VI stepped up to the plate, it'd be a very different story (I know the VI wasn't listed).

Also, the R32 Skyline (are we talking GTS-T or GT-R?) wasn't 300ps either. The R weighed in @ 280ps (very detuned, but 280 none-the-less) and the T @ 225. I know this because I've owned one. A stock FD would laugh at a stock R32 T and absolutely cringe if an R rolled up next to it (stock or not).

Edit - On topic: With regard to the FC, the only fair fight out of the EVO's and Skylines would be the R32 Skyline GTS-T. Uncap the exhaust and intake on both cars, however, and the FC would take it to the Skyline like a prison rape!

My $.02...

RM

RETed

I've heard conflicting reports on the stock power levels, and somehow 280ps sticked into my mind...

AWD and 7kRPM clutch dump will smoke an FC, period.&nbsp We were comparing stock-for-stock here, and the FD is not even in the argument.

When I mention R32, it's a BNR32 GT-R.&nbsp 280ps officially factory rated, but I've seen them pump out up to 320hp to the WHEELS stock!&nbsp We're still comparing stock FC, not FD...



-Ted