vegeta6263

umm me= 1988 gxl n/a ( with 3000 bucks in his pocket )
umm the guy= 1997 3000gt 220 hp edition and he just bought ported heads adding maybe an extar 100 hIm just doin this tread for fun, how bad will i get beaten?
1 , 2 , 3 car lengths? we are talking1/4 or maybe half a mile here with some slanted corners. ...What should i get for my engine? if i rebuild myself and get used in good condition rear rotor and rotor housing ill be 1000 dolla and that includes a little tiny extra 10 hp ported housinsg only.so what can i spend teh other 2k on? P.S. my car has 155,000 miles. ahhaahahahahha

YakATK

Get full exhaust with rest of money, and.......open intake.....and.......I dunno, some PA sleeves maybe.....

Just so you know that car will walk away from you like nothing, I am gonna guess and say........5 car lengths.

vegeta6263

WHAT THE &*(%$(!!(!! 5 CAR LENGTHS!!!!%*!$!#!# even after the full exhaust and all taht fo real!!@@!#

ra ra rotory

A 95 3000gt (n/a auto)was faster than my friends 87 gxl with strait pipes an intake and new motorso if he has the vr4 or at least a 5 speed it will be faster

vegeta6263

he doesn't have a vr4, but it is manual.
5 car lengths no way in hell , that is like disrespect!!!
2 or 3 maybe but 5 NO WAY IN HELL!!!

YakATK

I dunno man, not meaning disrespect to your car....but he has a major HP advantage over you no matter what if your NA and not spraying, at least from my knowledge of the 3000's he does. I dunno, it is just a guess....I honestly have no clue, but would guess about 5 car lengths, give or take 1.

frestylereaction

uhmm....vr4 will toast you...but weve already established that its not a vr4...

so its got 220hp so its SL....now put into factor its FWD....it weighs 3300 lb...and it has no revvability....a shitty launch...and 24lb rims....

i dont know who would win, but it should NOT walk away from you by 5 car lengths....maybe one

theyre not that fast , but neither are stock 13b...after the mods you listed the car should be even if not better

vegeta6263

thanx, for that more realistic view but di du take in count the ported /polish heads?? losing is losing but losing by 5 length cars is massacre liek boston kind!!

YakATK

Sorry, I did not realize it was not VR4.
Anyways....good luck to ya.....hope ya win of course but don't be dissapointed if you don't....either way...whatever...have fun.

von

You guys are all dumb. ( no offense )

I beat a 94 with intake exuast 224hp / ft trq...Kicked its *** by 2-3 car lengths both times. My mods are listed but without the streetport at the time. Thier slow as ***. Look at the bigger issues with it not the HP numbers. 5k rpm redline , 3600 lbs , FWD , Even from a roll

*a*jones*

dude you've got some serious mods even before the streetport!

Dan H

I've driven my uncle's '95 3000GT SL 220hp. These are heavy pigs IMHO and not all that fast. Plus its FWD so handling isn't great. And the 160hp version is even worse!

Ported heads? Don't know the outcome but I think with maybe some exhaust and intake upgrades along with a port, you should be as fast, if not faster than it.

rotary>piston

what 160 hp version? How could a 3.0L engine put out that little? No car these days puts out 50hp/liter.
If you get a street-port and bolt-ons, you can definitely win. Currently, I can't really say who would win. Just take him to an autoX.

Dan H

http://webm31b4.ntx.net/97specs.htm#engine

rotary>piston

wow, that's really pathetic. That engine is a pile of ****.

Dan H

Yup, even a V6 Accord will blow past it.

vegeta6263

YES!!! i knew they were fat as **** but like i said i only have 3k to spend aftre the rebuild, i don't want a huge *** porting job so maybe after the porting job and teh rebuild i will ahve around 2800 to workwith. GUYs i need a good estimate I have an 88 n/a so i will ahve around 146 stock plus maybe 15 extra from a lil porting done bya maztech in tampa, fl. Somaybe ill be around 165-170hp rigth. you guys think i cam hit the 200 hp mark on an n/a with 2800 bucks to spend on it? if so what are the exact things i have to buy.
p.S. i don't want to gut my exhaust. I could probably eat him at launch!.

Fingers

Relax there Vin Diesel. You're talking about two very different cars. One that costs $3000, and one that costs up to $30,000, depending on the trim. I know you're not satisfied with the answer, but his car IS faster and will REMAIN faster until yours is heavily modified. However, his DOES weigh 3900lbs. So that's one heavy *** pig that you can own in the corners, depending on your driving skills.

chris_stampe

Heres a plan. Turbo your NA. You will never loose to a stock 3k again. VR4....no problem. If you dont want to go the turbo route then you need to get nitrous. Yes it wont be that tough to beat him with a port job and other mods, but they will cost so much more. You are never going to get over 200 rwhp without forced induction unless you spend a lot of cash. With a 50 or so wet shot, exhaust, intake you will only be at a little over a grand of mods, and be faster than you would have with a street port and a ton of other ****. Then if the motor goes, you have money for a rebuild and port job.

jdubs99

A port job on the 3.0 in the 3kgt isn't going to mean much, that engine is pretty much consuming as much air as it can without induction, same way with the mitsu 2.5, it's a close tolerance engine. With the amount of money you have to spend, and with it invested in the right mods, you should edge him for the win.

1987RX7guy

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Ok this is what I am thinking.

Rebuilt engine and a mild street port. That will be like 140whp.
A good exhaust will give him about 20hp gain at the weels that is 160whp.
A cone intake will give him another say 5hp. ~165whp
Some PR racing sleeves say another 5hp ~170whp
A ported intake and polished throttle body another 10hp that is about ~180whp then you do some dyno tuning with an S-AFC and get another ~10-15 hp that will get him to about 190whp.
He then can get a 50 shot or N2O and there you go.

Then he can lighten his car.
He can take off the emmisions stuff(ACV EGR Rats-nest Air pump)
Accesories(A/c system Power steering)
Stock fan(fiero here he comes)
I believ that would lighten his car about 150 pounds at least. Any questions? I have not crunched the numbers yet but I will and post it.

von

Comone guys I already listed what you need. Its in my stupid sig for crying out loud. You dont need forced induction for a puny SL. Ive beaten them. Two of them. ONe with bolt ons and one with engine work and bolt ons. They dont react much to mods. Even the VR4 doesent react well to even a boost controller. Why ? because ive driven and raced my friends VR4 before and after the install that night. He said he couldnt tell much of a difference between 10-14lbs of boost on it...

Ok enoughf of the VR4. The SL you will take with my mods minus the streetport !!!!!!!

Lets add mine up

Exaust = 550 ( if new )
Intake = 25-75
Porting Manifolds = Free
Porting Polish TB = Free
TB mod , weight reducting = Free
Some connecters , hoses , clamps , plugs exc = 100
S-AFC = 200
Drags & Springs = 200 totall ( used )
RP Underpulleys = 60
BM FAN = 150
Clutch = 300 newly used

Totall === 1600 mabey 1700 !!!

Is that to much for you to handle ? Now if you streetported it you will be taking VR4s...You will make 200rwp with this setup and a big streetport. Small streeport will yeild 175-185 rwp... Bambam7 or someone has around 175rwp with a mild streetport and the same mods as me. I made 158rwp before the TB mods and clutch mods on stock ports and using S4 rotors...And I would shift at 8500 rpms and am only 2550 lbs so thats a huge advantage over anyone who has 20-50rwp more than you...Thats the bigger issue. And remember that a good clutch makes a huge difference in times. make sure it doesent slip.

rotary>piston

streetport N/A won't beat a VR4. i hate to admit it. The vr4 does 0-60 in 5.7, only a bridgeport could beat that.

1987RX7guy

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the guy does not have a VR4 he has that SL thing.

1987RX7guy

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VR4=11.67 P/W ratio
SL=14.967 ratio
Base=19.4472 ratio

S4 FC=19.17808 ratio
200fwhp FC=14 P/W
200rwhp FC=11.666666 P/W
matching up with the VR4 even That was with the weights on that link posted above and a 2800 pound weight for the S4 GXL