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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Exactly what would i have to do to remove the charcoal canister? I looked it up in my haynes and it just says its part fo the fuels system. What does it do? is it important? how do i go about removing it?

Im a real feind for removing useless **** and if i can get this out safely ill be a little happier than i was before.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 06:34 AM
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I think it gets rid of the smell of gas or somthing and reroutes it back somewhere. I wouldnt remove it because then you have to re route the tube to the side of your car and if someone drops a cig! BABOOM! <just a dramatization, im really not sure what would happen. Dont remove it, Mazda put it there for a reason.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 06:52 AM
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i removed it, didnt hurt nuttin, and the ugly can is out of site. been that way for 7 months
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 06:54 AM
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I removed mine as well and nothing happend, didn't smell any more or any less like gas.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 06:55 AM
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Uh, gas vapor from your tank vents out of the small tube.

The charcoal in the canister normally stores it untill you start your engine and the large tube sends it over to your engine next time you start it.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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I just routed the line going to the charcoal canister back under the car and it hasn't hurt anything yet There are plenty of people that have done this as well.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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The charcoal canister is part of the evaporative emissions system. What activated charcoal does is adsorb fuel vapors (VOC's) and render them chemically inert.

It's a rather important system that when called to duty does it job well with no adverse affect on performance (other than the 1.5 lbs the canister weighs).

I'd leave it in there.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:30 AM
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its one of the main visuals to be checked at emissions, and really not in the way.
so im leaving mine, even though i dont have emissions for another 2 years.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 12:08 PM
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It weighs like, nothing :-p
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 12:36 PM
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Guess ill leave it in then. Since its not that heavy. I dont have to worry about emmissions. Apparently NYC is the only place that has bribe-able emmisions centers. I can get my sticker for $60 ish bucks and never bring the car to the testing center. Thanks for all the info.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BklynRX7
Apparently NYC is the only place that has bribe-able emmisions centers. I can get my sticker for $60 ish bucks and never bring the car to the testing center. .
lucky you...no emmissions here in fla but i wished registering it would be like that. you know, go in with no proof of insurance and still get a tag. oh well
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tofuball
It weighs like, nothing :-p
If you said that about every "small" thing you could remove, you'd lose out on like 50+ lbs of weight reduction.

So what if it's small? If you remove it it'll still help for the cause. All those small "light" things will add up to be a lot, trust me.

That being said my charcoal canister has a new home, the landfill, and it's been there for over a year now no problems.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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exactly
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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Should I remove the the two cases of Catalogues in the back of my rex??
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 10:55 AM
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I was gonna make a smaller one. I've heard people say to vent it to my intake, and or into my exhaust. None of which really seemed like the greatest of ideas.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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Should I remove the the two cases of Catalogues in the back of my rex??
u have cases of catalogs on ur 7? i keep mine on a little shelf in my bathroom.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fastrotaries
I was gonna make a smaller one. I've heard people say to vent it to my intake, and or into my exhaust. None of which really seemed like the greatest of ideas.
whoever told you that is smoking some good *** hydro.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:00 AM
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Leave the canister alone. Its called an emissions device 'BECUASE' it prevents fuel vapor from entering the atmosphere. Sounds pathetic, but its true. As far as I know though, it does not vent it back into the intake, thats what the canistor is for, to absorb the fuel vapor into the charcoal. There is a vent, but it goes straight to the atmosphere.

Theres no reason to take it out, there is no performance gain. The seven already has a shitload of engine bay space, why do you need more?

I wonder how long the charcoal lasts...
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
Leave the canister alone. Its called an emissions device 'BECUASE' it prevents fuel vapor from entering the atmosphere. Sounds pathetic, but its true. As far as I know though, it does not vent it back into the intake, thats what the canistor is for, to absorb the fuel vapor into the charcoal. There is a vent, but it goes straight to the atmosphere.

Theres no reason to take it out, there is no performance gain. The seven already has a shitload of engine bay space, why do you need more?

I wonder how long the charcoal lasts...
Every little bit helps, that's all I have to say. And it doesn't really do much, so I stripped everything out that didn't provide a big purpose.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:23 AM
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Every little bit helps, that's all I have to say. And it doesn't really do much, so I stripped everything out that didn't provide a big purpose.
This is my mentality exactly. For both weight saving and cleanliness purposes. I have already removed everything that isnt necesary that i could easily get to. I would like to remove more but i do not feel confident that I can do so without harming something. I have always been curious about the canister but Ill just leave it cause I dont wanna risk ******* something up. Thanks for all the responses though. I do have anew question though, when you say you removed the bumper supports, you mean the metal section bolted on behind the bumper cover right? Doesnt this make it more likely you will face more damage to the engine bay in the event of a crash? I am wondering cause im about to remove my bumpers and fenders to switch everything to s5 and if I can do this while theyre off without risking much ill do it. I already removed the foam.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BklynRX7
This is my mentality exactly. For both weight saving and cleanliness purposes. I have already removed everything that isnt necesary that i could easily get to. I would like to remove more but i do not feel confident that I can do so without harming something. I have always been curious about the canister but Ill just leave it cause I dont wanna risk ******* something up. Thanks for all the responses though. I do have anew question though, when you say you removed the bumper supports, you mean the metal section bolted on behind the bumper cover right? Doesnt this make it more likely you will face more damage to the engine bay in the event of a crash? I am wondering cause im about to remove my bumpers and fenders to switch everything to s5 and if I can do this while theyre off without risking much ill do it. I already removed the foam.
Me? I only removed the foam, the metal brace for frontend collisions is still in place. I almost removed it, but I was worried that if I got in an accident it'd be terribly worse, so I left it.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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Me? I only removed the foam, the metal brace for frontend collisions is still in place. I almost removed it, but I was worried that if I got in an accident it'd be terribly worse, so I left it.
oh that wasnt you? i saw someone mention removing the bumoer supports. Seemed like a scary idea to me too. The one on my friiends civic si weighed around 10lbs. i weighed it after he crashed out of curiousity. Doesnt seem like much considering it was the only part of his front end that sustained damage (besides the cover and lights). Another weight question. What is the wieght difference between TII and n/a steel and alumnium hoods? I wanna know how much ill be saving when i put on my new AL hood but i can only find the weight of the TII hood on fc3spro. I think ive removed everything i can so far

never had p/s or abs
removed full a/c system cept the part behind the dash
removed all useless brackets
removed all emmissions components
removed rubber mats and other under carpet ****
in the works:
switching to a AL hood
removing rear seats and putting in bins
aftermarket bucket seats
removing front tow hooks
aluminum under drive pulleys

If youve got any other ideas let me know.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 01:00 AM
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You might be thinking of 88IntegraLS, I think he might've removed those on front and rear.

For other ideas, this is everything I've done that I can remember.

AC (including behind dash)
PS and bracket
Light flywheel
Lighter main underdrive pulley
All emissions
AAS
AAS CPU
AAS/Security panel
Cruise control
Cruise control CPU
Front tow hooks (wouldn't work with my lowering anyways)
Front/rear bumper foam
All sound deadening mats
Carpet padding (under carpet)
3/4 of sound deadening tar removed, only reason I didn't do the rest was because it was behind the dash and I didn't want to pull it
Spare tire/jack/etc
Charcoal canister
Any brackets I could get rid of
TB mod parts
6pi system
Extra pulleys are gone
Lighter seats
Front speakers/brackets, still have rears
Any covers I could get rid of for things
Extra pieces of the wiring harness (mostly emissions chunk)
Hatch belts/bolts
Storage bins/bracket/support/etc (still have rear carpet though)
Front/rear washer bottles/brackets/lines
Rear antenna/antenna motor/antenna line
MOP parts and lines


That's everything from memory. Honestly I stopped keeping track. I used to document every piece and weight as I removed it, but the list got so long I just quit. Last time I had the list updated it was at ~220lbs or so weight reduction, and I've done some since then. I think I'm at about 240-250 lbs. removed at this point, but it's hard to say since I stopped keeping track of each individual piece.

Oh and I still even have the steel hood, so there's more to be had for me. I still have a full interior (minus storage bins) even and a full (non-gutted) dash. My goal was to keep my interior fairly full because I think stripped interiors look tacky, so because of that I think I'm running out of things

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 01:01 AM
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ALright, JUST curious ddub, heh.. but what did you put in place of the canistor that you removed?

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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BlaCkPlaGUE
ALright, JUST curious ddub, heh.. but what did you put in place of the canistor that you removed?

Nothing. It's vented to the bottom of the engine bay. The charcoal canister has a line that vents down into the engine bay when it gets full anyways, so I didn't see a problem with this.

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