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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 11:55 AM
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yeah, good god my ports look better than that and it was my first time

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IIRC I was running short on time and I think my sandpaper mandrel was still being shipped so I assembled as is. Motor pulls hard after 20k miles and doesn't smoke.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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It's like something you'd see in a water plumbing job on a WWII house.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 02:18 PM
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That's one of the worst ports I've ever seen.

I would've tossed those irons in the trash, not used them in a build.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 03:50 PM
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I pressure test the coolant system on EVERY rebuild I do.
This is done right after I torque down the tension bolts.
This way if there is a problem, as there was in your case. It can be fixed right away. Not after the engine is installed.
Atkins Rotary sells them for $60. A good investment for any rebuild.
Here is a link to Atkins; http://atkinsrotary.com/store/catalo...t-p-16858.html
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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those ports will eat your side seals in no time, the top edge should never have a curve to it
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RW-7
I pressure test the coolant system on EVERY rebuild I do.
This is done right after I torque down the tension bolts.
This way if there is a problem, as there was in your case. It can be fixed right away. Not after the engine is installed.
Atkins Rotary sells them for $60. A good investment for any rebuild.
Here is a link to Atkins; http://atkinsrotary.com/store/catalo...t-p-16858.html
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Sweet! I'll keep that linked for whenever I do my next build.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
can't really tell in those pics if that is a casting line or like you said, a repaired crack.

that porting though is hideous, some people simply should not be porting parts.
I'm pretty sure its a repaired hole, I can feel the hole from the inside. My little finger just reaches it.
I agree that some people should not be doing their own porting, the primary porting was actually unusable. Whoever worked on this engine was truely an amateur. Many mistakes were made. I have an extra front iron, I'll try to match the other secondary port.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RW-7
I pressure test the coolant system on EVERY rebuild I do.
This is done right after I torque down the tension bolts.
This way if there is a problem, as there was in your case. It can be fixed right away. Not after the engine is installed.
Atkins Rotary sells them for $60. A good investment for any rebuild.
Here is a link to Atkins; http://atkinsrotary.com/store/catalo...t-p-16858.html
Good luck,
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Thanks for the input but I already do pressure test before final assembly. I started pressure testing on my second rebuild. I have the Atkins rebuild video and the mechanic shows how to do it.
The problem on this rebuild started after about two hours and one hundred miles.
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Old Dec 10, 2011 | 09:55 PM
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keep in mind, epoxy won't keep coolant out of there forever. the expansion and contraction rates of the cast iron versus the epoxy will eventually allow it to lose it's seal. in this case allowing coolant to enter the engine from that intake port.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
keep in mind, epoxy won't keep coolant out of there forever. the expansion and contraction rates of the cast iron versus the epoxy will eventually allow it to lose it's seal. in this case allowing coolant to enter the engine from that intake port.
I won't be using a patched iron. I didn't see the patch the first time. Was told that the engine had been ported by a rotary shop in FL. Just another lie.
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gxl90rx7
those ports will eat your side seals in no time, the top edge should never have a curve to it
Doesn't the top edge of the port say equi-distance from the coolant seal?
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Old Dec 11, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by alritzer
Doesn't the top edge of the port say equi-distance from the coolant seal?
No.

Look at where the side seals touch the iron and think about how the side seals move over the port. You need to understand how this damage is occurring.

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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 09:40 AM
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I traced the port on the rear iron and copied it to the front iron. This is what it turned out like. This is my first attempt at porting so I'm sure that it is not perfect.

Is the general shape OK? What does it need done to it?

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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 02:06 PM
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The side seal paths restrict how early the port can open. Does the opening edge of this port violate the side seal path? Does the port closing edge violate the oil control ring path? Does the apex seal move across the top of the port in a scissor path? Did you change the inside of the runner to match the new port face? Did you back-cut the port opening?
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PvillKnight7
The side seal paths restrict how early the port can open. Does the opening edge of this port violate the side seal path? Does the port closing edge violate the oil control ring path? Does the apex seal move across the top of the port in a scissor path? Did you change the inside of the runner to match the new port face? Did you back-cut the port opening?
I tried to copy the porting on the rear iron. I'm not sure if the rear iron was done correctly. I did not do the porting on the rear iron. Would you like to port the end irons for me? The mid primary port is OEM.
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 09:33 PM
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Old Dec 12, 2011 | 10:28 PM
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On a new engine always check hoses make sure they are tight. and do a shake down test in the driveway Intill warm. and make sure all systems are running right. Because i forgot to tighten a few things down myself. so i always make sure things are good to go. Because you never know. Maybe a heater hose came loose. and the water came out? The water came out fast where ever it came out at. So something gave way.

I dont know what parts can or cant be used after it overheats like that. because now they could be warped. and not be usable. You would have to have them all checked with a micrometer or something to that effect. But On a new Engine i would not let anyone drive it Untill I did a shake down test.

I overly look at my gauges. I mean My eyes are on my gauges when not on the road. because these cars get old. and they just need more attention. Depending how much use it has got. Just hope all those parts are old parts and not brand new housings and irons, That could get spendy. If they were used housings and irons. Then at least the cost should not be to high. I rebuilt my engine for around 550. Oil in water means Bad **** has gone on in that engine, They are not like piston engines. When a rotary overheats its all over. They just cant overheat
I am thinking about rebuilding an engine but I see that the rebuild kits are over a $1000. I am assuming you reused some of the old parts. Which parts are usually reusable? My plan is to get a engine fromt he junkyard and start rebuilding it, maybe even port it, while I drive my rx. After I finish I can swap it.
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 01:04 AM
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Old Dec 13, 2011 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmAnirx7
I am thinking about rebuilding an engine but I see that the rebuild kits are over a $1000. I am assuming you reused some of the old parts. Which parts are usually reusable? My plan is to get a engine fromt he junkyard and start rebuilding it, maybe even port it, while I drive my rx. After I finish I can swap it.
The first time we rebuilt it we used all new seals and gaskets. We re-used the rotors, housings, irons, oil pump and chain. If I had it to over again...... I would have re-used the apex seals, apex seal springs and side seals and springs because
after I had already purchased all of these parts new, just out of curiosity, I checked the seals and they were hardly worn.
The corner seals were not reusable and the springs were the OEM wire type.
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