Michaelangelofb

When I turn the key it sounds like the starter is turning just not engaging. The fan spins but the motor does not sound like its " Cranking" Just sounds like the starter is spinning. Any Ideas?

solareon

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Remove the starter and take it to Autozone or Advance Auto parts and have them test it. It may be spinning but the the drive gear is not being pushed out.

dot_txt

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If the fan spins and the motor does not sound like its spinning, compression test it immediately. It sounds blown. So if all 6 rotor faces lost compression entirely you might not hear the "chuging" that compression creates.

Turbo II Rotor

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Sounds like it could be severely flooded.

Icemark

Yep, that is what I thought too

waldog

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What year style is it? Is it a vert?

Rob XX 7

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pretty typical, sometimes you can go into a store and come out to start it to get a fast crank but no start, follow precedure for starting a flooded vehicle because by now you ended up flooding it.

I think about 6 times that had happened to me, not even with the car sitting either, it can happen more often if you shut the car off before it has a chance to warm up.

Michaelangelofb

Its a base 86

So If its severly flooded it will sound like this? There is no cranking sound.

Boosted11

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From what I know, everytime my car has been flooded it sounds like its cranking but no fire .... I'm no expert but just throwing that out there.

Texas_Ace

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Either the starter is bad or it is flooded really bad or the engine is blown, i have experiances teh first 2 personally.

The starter is easy to pull, just pull it off and take it to pepboys to have them test it. That is my first guess.

If the engine is spinning (aka, the engien fan is spinning) then your engine is either blown or REALLY REALLY flodded.

Michaelangelofb

motor is spinning. It has sat for a day now. I'll try to start it tomorrow with the fuel injection fuse out. keep you posted

Texas_Ace

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Do you meant eh EFI fuse? That also kills the spark plug so it will not start no matter what. You would be better off pulling the fuel pump relay under the dash next to the steering colum.

Michaelangelofb

I am confident in saying the motor is blown .... So I will be parting it out or selling it as it sits. Thanks for your help guys.

Turbo II Rotor

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Did you do a deflood and compression test? I really don't think you lost 4 apex seals from sitting.

Texas_Ace

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Agreed, my car sat for 4 years before i got it, int he Texas heat no less. After i got it i flooded it BIG time, did exactly like you said. I was sure it was blown. But i kept trying it and after putting some oil in the lower spark plug holes and pulling the fuel pump relay, i finally got it to start. It now runs perfect.

On a side note if yours in gone, my car is for sale.

Michaelangelofb

Okay so I Posted for sale as blown motor.
I will pull all 4 plugs today and wire wheel them clean. Pull the leadings, fuses,disconect the crank angle sensor, and turn the motor over. Put some oil down the leadings (teaspoon) spray the holes with some carb cleaner and replace the leadings,fuses and reconnect the crank angle sensor and attempt to start?? do I have this right? Am I Missing something?

NGKTECH

I have the same exact problem as you. Drove the car home 30 miles, ran great, stayed at 1/4 temp and had good power. tried to restart it three days later and must have flooded it. Now it just cranks real quick. Tried to replace plugs and crank engine with leading plugs out and still can't get it to start. Might not help that it is only 25 degrees here in MI.

I still have not tried oil in the leading chambers though.

Michaelangelofb

when you turned it over did anything come out?

Texas_Ace

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I am almost postitve that both of you are flooded out big time.

Put a fair amount of oil in the plug holes, it can take a fair amount to get the compression back. When mine was flooded it took me 2 days of messing with it and at least a full cup of oil in the engine to get it started, once started it smoked like crazy for a while then ran perfect from then on out.

ForsakenRX7

Pull the fuse. Pull all 4 plugs and turn it over. Should make a nasty cloud of fumes. Repeat until it dont anymore. Oil in leading holes. Clean plugs in. Fuse in. Crank. Let us know what happens.

Turbo II Rotor

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^ Do that but put NEW plugs in. Fouled plugs never work right.

NGKTECH

I first pulled the trailing plugs and a small amount of oily gas
came out.

I then pulled the leading plugs and cranked and I could hear like puff puff compression sounds and again I think some more stuff came out. I may not have cranked it with the plugs out long enough, I think this was the point when the starter stopped working every time and I had to cycle the key to get it to work.

I also agree that it shouldnt even be possible for the engine to have be blown in this car since it drove absolutely fine when I bought it, up until it was shut off

NGKTECH

Thanks for the info. I will follow these steps and see what happens. Anyone now where I can buy like a small turkey baster or something that will let me get the oil into the chamber. Like do they sell that at Meijer/Walmart or something? or what do you guys do? Thanks again for all the help it is truly appreciated and I really hope I can get this thing to start, I am excited to drive it and love the FC's


PS. When cranking should I only crank the car for a set amount of time to prevent flooding,like 3 seconds? Then if it doesnt start do you try again or immediately pull the fuse and then clear for 3 more seconds, reinsert and try again? Thanks

Michaelangelofb

I pulled the plugs fuses and crank angle sensor and turned it over for 4 sessions of three seconds cleaned the plugs replaced em replaced the fuses and connected the crank angle sensor. did this 4 times. checked for spark and its got spark.Pulled the fuel line from the filter to the motor and turned it over and no fuel came out. Did i pull the right line for checking for fuel?

Texas_Ace

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I do mine a little differnt, doing it like that never worked for me.

I first pull the fuel pump plug or relay, a fule cut switch works better, then the plugs, crank for 5-10 seconds. then put in a good squirt of oil into both lower plug holes. You can't really put too much oil, just a good squirt will do. You are not getting any compression right now, you have to build compression before you can start it.

Then put the plugs back in. With the fuel pump still off, start cranking. This means you still get spark (which is good, you want to be able to hear when it starts to crank) but no fuel.

Crank for 10 seconds at a time and make sure you don't burn up the starter like i did.

Then every now and then grab a can of brake cleaner and spray it intot he TB while you crank, see if you get any action.

If not then pull the plugs, add oil and start over.

Oh, yeah, you ARE holding the gas to the floor while you crank right? you want as much air into the engine as possible.

Just keep doing the above, waiting every now and then to let everything cool down, until it starts.

I helped a guy that was selling a car on craigslist fix his car by doing this a few weeks ago. Same problem as you, took him a few days workign for a little while each day but it started right up. Just like mine, i spent 4 days getting mine started after it flooded but it started and now runs great.