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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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FL Please Help, Dead FC, tried everything! (Orlando, FL)

I recently bought my FC, 1991, NA, 92k miles around 3 weeks ago. Suddenly ive been having ignition problems, the car randomly decided not to start (You could hear the Starter motor but the engine wouldnt turn) and i know what your thinking is a very common issue so why didint i look it up. Well the thing is that i did, ive tried EVERYTHING, i took it to a Pepboys when i first noticed problems and did a full engine computer test. Everything was fine except O2 sensor, a water sensor and apparantly wires and Spark Plugs.

So, i got myself an FC manual and tools and changed the Plugs and Wires, I got NGK wires and plugs, i also used Trailing and Leading Plugs and everything was fine for a while.

Now, the car did the same thing, it wont start, so even tough the Starter was working i decided to get a new one, i got a new starter and installed it, the car still wont start.

I check the gas pump and i could hear it, i also pressed the pedal while cranking, and a friend openned the throtle, the car still wont start.

I check the plug, wires and distributors, everything was working fine, i checked the rotor that sends the sparkplugs its charge (Can somebody tell me whats this called?) they are two magnets that rotate and send the ignition to the plugs, we adjusted them and the car seemed to be responding a little, we took the magnets to a part shop but they told us they where fine since they had current, and that if i wanted new ones i had to call Mazda and order them, they apparently cost around 400$!

So we put the magnets back in the car wich according to the clerk where fine, the car never started.

So im in desperate need for help, im out of ideas, Is not the ignition, or gas, I dont think is the ECU, it could be one of those 400 dollar sensors (crank position sensor) I have no idea and little money left, do you guys have any ideas?

Thanks in advance, Im from Orlando FL, 32828, ex FC driver, nice to meet you.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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Ok, So you have spark and you said that the pump fuel pump is working. But did not mentioned anything about the injectors clicking or at leats cheking them. U sure you put you ignition wires back like the book says. L1 front top, L2 back top, T1 bottom front and T2 bottom back. If you cant check the injectors try starting fluid through the intake but make sure you put the hose back on the intake before trying to start. Also you said that the starter was spinning but not the engine? Thats kind of weird if you bought a new one and is still doing that.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Sorry mistake on the spark plug wires. It should be L1 Bottom front, L2 bottum back, T1 top front and L2 top back. Sorry for the wrong info a little brain fart.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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by magnets do you mean the crank angle sensor? if you took it out and didnt put it in right the timing will be off.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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T2 top back ..... what an idiot .... I want to help but Iam kind of making it worse......
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Dont worry i appretiate your help Jcfrx7, i put the wires exsactly like i took them out, now i also hear a click when the ignition is on, but i dont know if thats the injectors or the Starter aligning with the flywheel. The magnets a friend took them out and put them back in, i dont know if he aligned them, but the car doesnt even start and i dont know how to make sure their aligned.

Im an appretince mechanic, but i only have very basic tools, could you explain the intake/gas procedure? Also the magnets are the crank sensor? Now im confused, how do they work? I tought they where like a distributor for the spark? Can this thing go bad? Anyone knows where could i find a replacement and the cost?

Thanks for the help
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:20 PM
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Push start it.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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the only thing i can thing of that have magnets is the crank angle sensor
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Do you think that would work? I tried jump starting it, the battery is fine and it has charge, i need to find some pleople to help me push
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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As for the magnets on the CAS they a signal to the computer and then the computer uses that signal to inject and ignite. Now as far as the magnets been in place I think that you could only adjust them on how close they are to the weel or theeths. Q: Is the starter turnning the engine?
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by turboIIrotary
the only thing i can thing of that have magnets is the crank angle sensor

Is a littl black can infront of the engine, behind the battery and radiator, you open it and theres two magnets that spin and send electricity to the spark plugs, i took that out. Is that the sensor? Where do i get one of these?
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jcfrx7
As for the magnets on the CAS they a signal to the computer and then the computer uses that signal to inject and ignite. Now as far as the magnets been in place I think that you could only adjust them on how close they are to the weel or theeths. Q: Is the starter turnning the engine?

The starter works and spins but nothing happens, i got a new starter motor with Solenoid and installed it so i dont think thats it
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yes that is the sensor if you put them back in the right place it should work...
ok lets start over list down what is exactly wrong with your car.

does your engine turn over or is the starter just spinning?
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by turboIIrotary
yes that is the sensor if you put them back in the right place it should work...
ok lets start over list down what is exactly wrong with your car.
It doesnt start lol, i tried EVERYTHING, it might be possessed, everyone i ask says theres nothing wrong with it, it just doesnt start!

PS starter spins engine doesnt turn over
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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Ok good , so the car cranks. Yeah the magnaets could be to far a out and need adjustments. Or theres problems with the injection part of it..... try stating fluid.
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oh so the engine does not turn over......
tham it sound like we have a different problem....
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jcfrx7
Ok good , so the car cranks. Yeah the magnaets could be to far a out and need adjustments. Or theres problems with the injection part of it..... try stating fluid.

Stating fluid? could you explain how to do this? Thanks
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Starter is not engaging the flywheel. Sounds like a bad starter selinoid.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jcfrx7
oh so the engine does not turn over......
tham it sound like we have a different problem....

Yea is dead i cant feel nothing from the engine, the only thing that made it move a little where the magnets but i couldnt get them any closer, could someone tell me where to buy new ones???
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jcfrx7
Starter is not engaging the flywheel. Sounds like a bad starter selinoid.
I changed EVERYTHING starter motor and solenoid, their new lol any other idea? =p



Could it be the flywheel??!!! >_<
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Stating fluid? could you explain how to do this? Thanks
If the engine does not spin then this is not the problem.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Just put gass all over the car thow a match at it and that would start it!!!!!!!LOL
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push start it, ask a cuple of friends to help you, if it starts , its ur starter, if it dosent ur magnets or ignition sys
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jcfrx7
Just put gass all over the car thow a match at it and that would start it!!!!!!!LOL

LOL im stranded here i need this car to work!!! im about to trade the FC for a ford taurus tough!!
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by francogt1
push start it, ask a cuple of friends to help you, if it starts , its ur starter, if it dosent ur magnets or ignition sys
Where do i get new magnets? Is there a place where i can order them? im 300% sure is not the starter
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