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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 09:50 PM
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Pilot Bearing removal, yes I've searched!!!

well I have my engine in pieces and try to pull the flywheel off with a puller didn't work, and I think it may have pushed my pilot bearing in futher doing so, unsuccsessfully with the puller I got the fly wheel off using a good ole hammer, but the pilot bearing puller I was using didn't work just kept slipping offand not moving the bearing, I'm almost ready to grind the ***** out, I may just take my E-sahft since I have it out to a machine shop and seee what they can do, on another note I when I was trying to pull the fly wheel off I pulled the starter teeth off and couldn't get them back on, then my dad suggested putting the teeth in the oven, and heating it up enough, sure enough after about 20 mins in the oven on broil it slid on the flywheel ...if anyone has any input on the pilot bearing let me know!
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:08 PM
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you havn't searched...

but u need to get a better pilot bearing puller (one with sharper "teeth") or use a metal dowel/rod as close the the size of the inside of the pilot bearing as possible, pack the area with grease and use a hammer to ram the dowel/rod in the hole, it will push the bearing out because of the hydraulic preasure it makes.
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:13 PM
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I will only say grease makes a huge mess and I know because I've done this. On a bushing it works on bearings you can't get a tight enough fit because the bearings are round. That is all.
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:25 PM
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uhh yes I did search...this is why this forum pisses me off, dumb ppl like thrasher, first off to machine a piece that barely fits into the e-shaft and pack it with greas seems like a hassle if I got to a machine shop I'll just get them to remove the pilot bearing for me....thanks a bunch thrasher!
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:30 PM
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Thank you! If anyone takes a nice long look at the damn pilot bearing they will realize that hydralic pressure won't work effectively. If someone wants to make a video of them doing it, please send it to thrillhouse@attbi, I'd love to watch.

I remove one this weekend and I ended up grinding it enough to weaken it then with a screw driver it poped out. Some are more of a pain then others. This one was made easier because the e-shaft was out of the engine. A dremel with a little grinding bit will solve your problem in under 20mins.
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:38 PM
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thanks Mat I needed that, grinding is the way to go!!
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 10:40 PM
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I tried a whole bunch of bullshit....bearing puller......i just used a good ol dremel and grinded that sucker!


make sure not to damage the e-shaft inside tho. Its a met trying to get the bearing in there with scrapped walls


Doens't hold the grease...peacee
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Old Feb 5, 2003 | 11:39 PM
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grinding vote from me...thats how matlock and I get mine out....a sharp tipped punch and a hammer will work decent too..try and collapse it.

GREASE DOES ****.......i got the perfect size dowel and packed grease in there and hit it several times over and over...and it just made a big damn mess.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 12:35 AM
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Mazdatrix pilot puller, hasn't failed me yet.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 05:17 AM
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Tried the water/paper towel trick yet?
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 05:46 AM
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FSM says to heat the ring gear to 480-570*F and fit the gear onto the flywheel

edit: oops, just read that you did that, sorry.

somebody kick me please
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 05:52 AM
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I think you can rent some generic pullers from most autoparts stores, if they work I do not know. I bought the mazdatrix one and it pulled that thing out in a couple of nanoseconds
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 06:06 AM
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I think you can rent some generic pullers from most autoparts stores, if they work I do not know. I bought the mazdatrix one and it pulled that thing out in a couple of nanoseconds
Unfortunately they don't work

At least the ones from Advanced Auto Parts\Track Auto!
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 06:48 AM
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Just not the right size or what? I figured they'd be pretty universal, but I guess they could very in size pretty easily. There was no chance of the mazdatrix one failing, it fit rather snug and when tightened there was no way it'd slip.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 06:48 AM
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ONCE AGAIN: USE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB!

If you don't have access to the Mazda/Mazdatrix tool, Very carefully use a dremel and a carbide burr bit to weaken the bearing enough to collapse it with a punch
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 07:04 AM
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Mine looked good, so I just solvent cleaned it, blew it out, & repacked it 60000 miles ago.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by SonicRaT
Just not the right size or what? I figured they'd be pretty universal, but I guess they could very in size pretty easily. There was no chance of the mazdatrix one failing, it fit rather snug and when tightened there was no way it'd slip.
The "expander" (I don't know if that is even a word) won't fit thru the pilot bearing. Here is a pic of a similar one, you'll notice what I mean.

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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 09:37 AM
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I just want to say it's great how you trash on people that are trying to help you out! Good job dude! And I have done the method with the grease many time and it works fine, you don't need to machine a part to go in snuggly if you have access to a set of transfer punches.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 09:57 AM
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Wow, that's a completely different setup than from what I've got. Basically it's a shaft with 4 arms and each arm has a hook on it, and initially the arms are bent inwards, but when you tighten the puller up on it, it pushes the arms out so that they become snug against the wall and there's almost no chance of it not working. Time to find a mazdatrix pic!



Not the best of pics, but that's basically how the one I have works.
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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Wow, that's a completely different setup than from what I've got. Basically it's a shaft with 4 arms and each arm has a hook on it, and initially the arms are bent inwards, but when you tighten the puller up on it, it pushes the arms out so that they become snug against the wall and there's almost no chance of it not working. Time to find a mazdatrix pic!



Not the best of pics, but that's basically how the one I have works.
Yup, I saw that long time ago. Someday I will be able to afford one I kind of knew that the Advanced Auto part rental one wouldn't do the trick, but I had to try it at the time
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 10:11 AM
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I have heard rumors/unverified by myself...That a GM lifter removal tool will also function in a pinch
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Lifter Tool

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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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wow I actually got some good feed back on this thread thanks you guys , the pilot bearing remover tool I was using was like the one SonicRAT was describing but it only had 2 arms and dull teeth to pull it out with, so weeken it with dremmel and use a punch to collapse the sucker?
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 01:32 PM
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I have heard rumors/unverified by myself...That a GM lifter removal tool will also function in a pinch
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Lifter Tool
Ill try to get one from pep boys, Ill let you know how it goes!!

Thanks!
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by BlackRx7
the pilot bearing remover tool I was using was like the one SonicRAT was describing but it only had 2 arms and dull teeth to pull it out with,
One like this:

http://www.northerntool.com/images/p...s/90968_lg.jpg

Am I wrong?
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Old Feb 6, 2003 | 01:50 PM
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Should work
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