2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 08:51 AM
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Dont forget his custom intake mani ^^;;
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 11:53 AM
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Well I was assuming everyone knew about the infamous custom Intake Manifold

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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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You have the answer to everything! Ok answer me this, in one paragraph or less, what should I replace my V3.1 with, a V4 or E6X...?
Go for the V4 Wolf. It is only $550 with your V3 trade-in during the group buy on this fourm, and you can keep your current wiring harness and hand controller. The E6X is not as advanced as the V4 Wolf, which is more comparable to the E11.

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Evil Aviator and drago66: Thanks for the input! I don't hear about many NA guys running standalones for some reason...
I think it's because most of the NA owners either don't want to spend a lot of money on their car, or they race in classes that do not allow an EMS conversion.

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Kahren is running a stock port N/a tuned via a Haltech E6K. The car is putting out somewhere around 180+ with the new header to the wheels. Let me reiterate. Stock Port, Naturally Aspirated, 180 to the wheels. That is nearly 30 more than a stock zenki TII puts out to the wheels.

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Yeah, SPiN Racing's Wolf EMS stock-port NA Sport was running even with slightly modified TII's, and he had hardly any good go-fast goodies besides the Wolf. It's one of those things you need to see to believe. However, I would like to point out that the tuning is the hard part with this setup, and is not something that most of the people on this forum can do, especially if they think an AFR meter makes them a tuner.
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Old Nov 11, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz_X
Stock Port, Naturally Aspirated, 180 to the wheels. That is nearly 30 more than a stock zenki TII puts out to the wheels.

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Hmmmm, suddenly I'm interested in an EMS for my '85 SE. If I wasn't up to my ******* in alligators w/my 'vert, I'd buy one this week
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 03:28 AM
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so a standalone would take me out of street-prep? Does anyone know what classes will take that?
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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so a standalone would take me out of street-prep? Does anyone know what classes will take that?
According to the SCCA National Solo rulebook I have, any replacement fuel injection computer may be used in Street Prepared so long as it does not allow adjustments that were unavailable to the stock ECU. That is to say, you can have timing, fuel and redline adjustments, but you can't have a computerized boost controller unless the car came with one stock...
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Old Nov 12, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ScrapFC
According to the SCCA National Solo rulebook I have, any replacement fuel injection computer may be used in Street Prepared so long as it does not allow adjustments that were unavailable to the stock ECU. That is to say, you can have timing, fuel and redline adjustments, but you can't have a computerized boost controller unless the car came with one stock...
I don't have the current rules, but isn't a fuel cut defenser function still illegal for Street Prepared? If so, then that would mean that the EMS must have a fuel cut function set to the same boost level as stock... technically.
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
I don't have the current rules, but isn't a fuel cut defenser function still illegal for Street Prepared? If so, then that would mean that the EMS must have a fuel cut function set to the same boost level as stock... technically.
The rulebook I have doesn't mention that specifically. The section I'm reading states, "Alternative computer control modules may be used whenever an equivalent change to the conventional system is allowed. For example, alternate computer module control of ignition settings or fuel injection is allowed. Direct turbocharger boost control by alternate computer control is not, since there is no equivalent mechanical advance."
Unless there is another mention somewhere else that I'm not seeing, it would seem to be pretty open for anything controlling fuel and/or ignition. Is this something that's changed recently? The book I have is 2 years old...
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ScrapFC
The rulebook I have doesn't mention that specifically. The section I'm reading states, "Alternative computer control modules may be used whenever an equivalent change to the conventional system is allowed. For example, alternate computer module control of ignition settings or fuel injection is allowed. Direct turbocharger boost control by alternate computer control is not, since there is no equivalent mechanical advance."
Unless there is another mention somewhere else that I'm not seeing, it would seem to be pretty open for anything controlling fuel and/or ignition. Is this something that's changed recently? The book I have is 2 years old...
Well, I don't have current rules, either, lol. However...

Ref 2002 rules:

14.10 Engine and Drive Train

Found near the end of Paragraph C.

"... Devices known as "fuel cut defensers", and any modifications which alter or defeat the fuel cutoff when it is activated by boost level, are not permitted. "
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Old Nov 14, 2004 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Well, I don't have current rules, either, lol. However...

Ref 2002 rules:

14.10 Engine and Drive Train

Found near the end of Paragraph C.

"... Devices known as "fuel cut defensers", and any modifications which alter or defeat the fuel cutoff when it is activated by boost level, are not permitted. "
So would unplugging the pressure sensor, which the ecu would see as a default of 4 pounds, be illegal? The pressure sensor is used nearly always for ignition control, so the overall timing could be retarded at the CAS to counteract the inaccurate boost pressure reading.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil Aviator
Well, I don't have current rules, either, lol. However...

Ref 2002 rules:

14.10 Engine and Drive Train

Found near the end of Paragraph C.

"... Devices known as "fuel cut defensers", and any modifications which alter or defeat the fuel cutoff when it is activated by boost level, are not permitted. "
Wow! I didn't notice that. They're pretty rough on you forced-induction types...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gsracer
So would unplugging the pressure sensor, which the ecu would see as a default of 4 pounds, be illegal? The pressure sensor is used nearly always for ignition control, so the overall timing could be retarded at the CAS to counteract the inaccurate boost pressure reading.
The way I read it, you can't have anything that alters the stock boost limit. The rules also state that no changes are allowed to the pressure sensors or their location.

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Wow! I didn't notice that. They're pretty rough on you forced-induction types...
The whole point of club racing is to limit the classes to put more emphasis on one's skill as opposed to one's wallet. Besides, it doesn't hurt anything to move up to the next class. I autocross my 1Gen in Prepared just to keep the whiny protesters off my case, and I have just as much fun, I race exactly the same course, and the only difference is the marking on my car.
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