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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 10:58 PM
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NGK power cables

Just found out that NGK power cables have just been released, dyno testing on a tec honda net 2.7hp over stock set of wires. Sorry no testing on our vehicles. As far as i can tell they have about 175 ohms resistance per foot while still reducing emi interference over the stock wires. The fit on these are supposed to be excellent. I know where i can get them in my area but don't know anywhere else, ngk's # for contact is 248-668-8873. Up until now they have only been available in japan. rx7doctor
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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 11:15 PM
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are these spark plug cables???

If so, then they are BS'ing. Spark plug cables can not increase HP. They can only return the spark back to stock specs.
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 12:20 AM
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well if these cables conduct better and have less resistance than the factory wires I don't see why a more powerful spark wouldn't be present, causing an increase in power. But it does sound like a little bs, might increase 2.7 hp on a 500 hp car, previously working on cheap wires.
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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who sells ngk products (standard wires), without having to order off the internet....any retail store? i know we don't sell them at work(advanced auto), autozone.com doens't list any ngk products...pepboys?(i'll check their website)
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 09:53 AM
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Talking dyno

Testing was done on a 99 civic with a jdm b16 engine with a drag turbo unit,
everything else was stock. With the stock wires the dyon'd hp was 230.6, with the power cables, iwres, it was 233.3, with accels 300+ thundersports it was 232.4
magnecor was 231.4 and moroso was 232.1, msd was 234.4 and vitek was 229.3.
All testing was done by XS engineering, tuner performance reports magazine
mar/april 04 issue, so put that in your pipe and smoke it if you don't believe that wires can produce more hp, now the only thing i did state is i dont know what they would do for our engines. rx7doctor. And i can get then for 86-93 rx's.
Thats because i know people in low places, lol.
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rx7doctor
Testing was done on a 99 civic with a jdm b16 engine with a drag turbo unit,
everything else was stock. With the stock wires the dyon'd hp was 230.6, with the power cables, iwres, it was 233.3, with accels 300+ thundersports it was 232.4
magnecor was 231.4 and moroso was 232.1, msd was 234.4 and vitek was 229.3.
All testing was done by XS engineering, tuner performance reports magazine
mar/april 04 issue, so put that in your pipe and smoke it if you don't believe that wires can produce more hp, now the only thing i did state is i dont know what they would do for our engines. rx7doctor. And i can get then for 86-93 rx's.
Thats because i know people in low places, lol.
If you understood how spark works on the engine you would know that they are full of crap and that spark plug wires alone can not change the HP except to lower it.

Now the crappier the cable, the shorter interval between sparkplug cable death, and the more resistance and possible crossfire gets added to the system, but a spark plug cable can not by itself INCREASE horsepower. A new cable can bring the spark up to what it should be when replacing a crappy cable, but it can not increase the actual energy used to create the spark.

The only thing that can increase a spark is the coil (and or voltage to it) or the gap on a spark plug. If you are getting more HP by just swapping the spark plug wires you are getting it by the old cable having high resistance

or is broken down internally, and replacing that with good working cable

or the insulation was poor on the cable you used before and you ran the cables improperlly and had crossfire across the cables. A better insullated cable would also fix that.

And Tuner reports mag??? who the heck is that and gee could the editorial staff not have a clue if they think that cables increase Horsepower. I think they ned to go back to the basics and read a couple of SAE papers on spark electrical in general.

A real proof would have been reading the resistance per foot of what were better cables, rather than a tuning shop dyno. By the way as far as a HP change between wires, I had my vert in last month in the local dyno here in my area, and did three runs with no engine changes at all (didn't move one thing under hood) and between the three runs I had a 3 HP difference. Now if I had changed the cables, I too might have said (if I didn't know better) that the new Brand X spark plug cables gave me an extra 3 HP. Of course then you would know I was smoking (as you said).

And as a side note: if you are trying to sell these you need to post in the For sale/wanted section of the board and get vendor permission if you are selling more than one set.
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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Lightbulb testing

Backtracked thru the article, found they tested used oem cables that showed high resistance over all others tested. The procedure done was (djh03-ch1-10) a 3 run
method normally run on obd-0 type vehicles. First run on a coll engine, the 2nd run immediately follows a hot engine and the 3rd run follows a 1 minute idle, the hp gains were represented by the best of three dynos. The highest gainer in the test had the lowest amount of resistance per foot which was msd's super conductor wire longest wire 72.5cm with 0.12kohms to lowest gainer which was vitek wires
with the longest wire at 72cm with 5.46 kohms. Ngk power cables longest wire was 69cm with 0.68 kohms of resistance.
Their was a 10 minute cool down period between dyno runs on each set of cables.
Still proves that the wire that is able to let the coils produce the maximum amount of voltage and amperage at the spark plug utilized the maximum potential of hp.
My apoligies for not adequately reading thru the article. Same therory as a lightened steel flywheel, does not add hp but transmits the most available hp
more effectively to the wheels. rx7doctor
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Old Dec 31, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by therotaryrocket
who sells ngk products (standard wires), without having to order off the internet....any retail store? i know we don't sell them at work(advanced auto), autozone.com doens't list any ngk products...pepboys?(i'll check their website)
I Don't know all the regions they operate in but O'rielly, sp?, I know sell the plugs by ngk. maybe the have the wires?
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Old Jan 3, 2005 | 02:22 AM
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Summit racing sells them
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