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"Do I toss around unspoken words??? hmmmmm... No, as a matter of fact I dont. "A known quality company"? Such as, GARRETT? You said "why pay for Greddy?" (which is a very well known and respected company) then you said because "you are paying for quality"... the way you said that would lead sombody into thinking that you are trying to say that Garrett is not as good because you basically compared them seeing as how he was talking about a Garrett turbo..."
I really think he was not aware of the types of Garrett turbos in which were in disscussion... Or he did not know they were Garrett. Not saying this as fact of course, just saying that from the progression of the conversation, You made a valid sugestion, He shot it down because he thought is was a turbo that did not hold up to Greddy, You called him on it, then he realized he sounded a fool in what he said. Now he was just covering his tracks cause he made a mistake, or is just not as savy on them as a lot of people on the site. No big deal.
I really think he was not aware of the types of Garrett turbos in which were in disscussion... Or he did not know they were Garrett. Not saying this as fact of course, just saying that from the progression of the conversation, You made a valid sugestion, He shot it down because he thought is was a turbo that did not hold up to Greddy, You called him on it, then he realized he sounded a fool in what he said. Now he was just covering his tracks cause he made a mistake, or is just not as savy on them as a lot of people on the site. No big deal.
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If you have a link to a new garret turbo with manifold in a 70trim for 500$ let me know!
That sounds alot more like a XS price to me.
Air exspress greedy and so forth charge a good 1k for there 70+trim setups. Wait actualy You can find a need rebuild 78trim greddys for 3k hmm :-/ For this large of a trim a good SS manifold will run you 600+ Yea you can use cast but why?
FCKing1995 - If this is your first time moding your car or a car like this I am going to sugest using it as a learning curve. it is not wise to just put 400+hp into a car you are not familure with. I sugest just getting a BNRIII at best and tune for that acording to how Bryan at BNR says.
That sounds alot more like a XS price to me.
Air exspress greedy and so forth charge a good 1k for there 70+trim setups. Wait actualy You can find a need rebuild 78trim greddys for 3k hmm :-/ For this large of a trim a good SS manifold will run you 600+ Yea you can use cast but why?
FCKing1995 - If this is your first time moding your car or a car like this I am going to sugest using it as a learning curve. it is not wise to just put 400+hp into a car you are not familure with. I sugest just getting a BNRIII at best and tune for that acording to how Bryan at BNR says.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
If you have a link to a new garret turbo with manifold in a 70trim for 500$ let me know!
That sounds alot more like a XS price to me.
That sounds alot more like a XS price to me.
hmmm... toss around UNSPOKEN words much???
Originally Posted by chasedrk1
I really think he was not aware of the types of Garrett turbos in which were in disscussion... Or he did not know they were Garrett. Not saying this as fact of course, just saying that from the progression of the conversation, You made a valid sugestion, He shot it down because he thought is was a turbo that did not hold up to Greddy, You called him on it, then he realized he sounded a fool in what he said. Now he was just covering his tracks cause he made a mistake, or is just not as savy on them as a lot of people on the site. No big deal.
Originally Posted by iceblue
FCKing1995 - If this is your first time moding your car or a car like this I am going to sugest using it as a learning curve. it is not wise to just put 400+hp into a car you are not familure with. I sugest just getting a BNRIII at best and tune for that acording to how Bryan at BNR says.
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It is not that I was tossing around words. It is that I missed a word. I thought I read a 60.1 with a T4 manifold for 500 and that is the exact price of the XS. Insted he said 699 + 500. Though I still finde 699 cheep for a 60trim. At 60trim I say BNR-IV or Turbonetics T04B.
I still stand by my last post of exsperiance.
I still stand by my last post of exsperiance.
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
well after the talk with bryan, though he may of just been bullshitting me, about 350+ blah blah, though i know there are alot of people on here with over 350 safely... but yea, i would rather have 400+ and would like to go haltech, though rtek chip and an afc would be much easier for me... i might just go with stage 2 hybrid, 1000cc secondaries, 720cc primary, rtek chip and afc... wont get me as much as going t70 .96 a/r with haltech and 1600cc would, but i keep forgetting i am going for daily driver, so stage 2 hybrid might be best for me now, might up the boost a bit to 18+psi. once this engine goes... might upgrade later
and yeah, if this is suppose to be a DD, then dont go for that much power ect ect, jsut stick with the rtec S-AFC ect ect, then one day when you get a FD go with a Power FC and shoot for over 400 then. Why is this goin to be your DD... what about the lude and that old accord?
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Originally Posted by 5252
going to 18psi would probably be out of the efficiency range for that turbo...
and yeah, if this is suppose to be a DD, then dont go for that much power ect ect, jsut stick with the rtec S-AFC ect ect, then one day when you get a FD go with a Power FC and shoot for over 400 then. Why is this goin to be your DD... what about the lude and that old accord?
and yeah, if this is suppose to be a DD, then dont go for that much power ect ect, jsut stick with the rtec S-AFC ect ect, then one day when you get a FD go with a Power FC and shoot for over 400 then. Why is this goin to be your DD... what about the lude and that old accord?
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Originally Posted by iceblue
For this large of a trim a good SS manifold will run you 600+ Yea you can use cast but why?
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Originally Posted by iceblue
18psi on pump gas can be disasterus.
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That is kinda true... it completely depends on your supporting mods... you have to be pretty safe with your tuning. Monitor your egt's and a/f ratio pretty damn close and get the timing in a safe spot. But if your not gettin a standalone there isnt much you can do with the timing lol. So 18 psi on a chipped ECU can be pretty disastrous lol
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Between 12 and 15. Only way to tell is with your EGT numbers and AF numbers and something to tell you when you are hiting detonation. Plus 15psi creates alot of heat.
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Between 12 and 15. Only way to tell is with your EGT numbers and AF numbers and something to tell you when you are hiting detonation. Plus 15psi creates alot of heat.
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The best bet is use stock boost or applicable boost of your turbo to stock output of say 6 to 10psi. Until you put it on a dyno and tune your car I would not even drive it with a 60+ trim and 1300cc injectors and stand alone EMS. The reason I said 12psi is b/c that is generally a close psi before your motor pops.
I mean god honest truth keep your stock stuff on and mod it a lil like exhaust and FMIC and fuel and EMS until you learn about it and learn how to drive it. Then go from there. A unfamiliar car that you romp on will end you up in a tree.
I mean god honest truth keep your stock stuff on and mod it a lil like exhaust and FMIC and fuel and EMS until you learn about it and learn how to drive it. Then go from there. A unfamiliar car that you romp on will end you up in a tree.
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safc sucks ***... you can only subtract fuel, unless its in the lower rpm point or low load... So you would need to get bigger injectors than what you actually need.. After spending all this money, you want to go cheap on one of the most important mod??
I run 15 psi all day on pump gas, and this is on a t70... No detonation, just a lil on the rich side... I stll get great driveability...
62-1 is also a good turbo... but for your power goals and driveability, I suggest you get the gt35r. It has great spool, actually awesome spool, and great efficiency.. 78% IIRC
I still got one question though, why all this planning and discussing, if you dont even have the car yet?? I would first get the car, atleast learn how it works and performs before doing anything to it...
I run 15 psi all day on pump gas, and this is on a t70... No detonation, just a lil on the rich side... I stll get great driveability...
62-1 is also a good turbo... but for your power goals and driveability, I suggest you get the gt35r. It has great spool, actually awesome spool, and great efficiency.. 78% IIRC
I still got one question though, why all this planning and discussing, if you dont even have the car yet?? I would first get the car, atleast learn how it works and performs before doing anything to it...
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apparently none of you have seen my most recent choice, being bnr stage 2 with 1000/720 secondary and 720 primary, and rtek chip with either safc or hks fuel controler... then the other mods like full turboback exhaust, greddy fmic, this will all be on a new streetported engine, some other goodies... im no longer using the t70 or 62-1...
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safc sucks ***... you can only subtract fuel, unless its in the lower rpm point or low load... So you would need to get bigger injectors than what you actually need.. After spending all this money, you want to go cheap on one of the most important mod??
I run 15 psi all day on pump gas, and this is on a t70... No detonation, just a lil on the rich side... I stll get great driveability...
62-1 is also a good turbo... but for your power goals and driveability, I suggest you get the gt35r. It has great spool, actually awesome spool, and great efficiency.. 78% IIRC
I still got one question though, why all this planning and discussing, if you dont even have the car yet?? I would first get the car, atleast learn how it works and performs before doing anything to it...
I run 15 psi all day on pump gas, and this is on a t70... No detonation, just a lil on the rich side... I stll get great driveability...
62-1 is also a good turbo... but for your power goals and driveability, I suggest you get the gt35r. It has great spool, actually awesome spool, and great efficiency.. 78% IIRC
I still got one question though, why all this planning and discussing, if you dont even have the car yet?? I would first get the car, atleast learn how it works and performs before doing anything to it...
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It depends on what motor you use, and what parts you use in it... Usually if you buy a turbo car, its most likely been abused or modded out.. If you want reliability, then you need to use proven parts and have the motor built right... doesnt matter what turbo you get, if your motor cant take the heat...
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It depends on what motor you use, and what parts you use in it... Usually if you buy a turbo car, its most likely been abused or modded out.. If you want reliability, then you need to use proven parts and have the motor built right... doesnt matter what turbo you get, if your motor cant take the heat...
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Originally Posted by FCKing1995
like i said before, would it be ok just to play it by ear and up the boost till i encounter problems then back it off a few psi? if this was going on a piston engine id be ok, but seeign as rotaries are pretty new aea with me, im not so sure on performance aspects of what they can and cannot take...
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Use whatever stand alone your tuner is comfy with. Head on over to the EMS section on search around.
All of the exhausts you listed are ricy buzz toned not deep. Try racing beat.
All of the exhausts you listed are ricy buzz toned not deep. Try racing beat.
The Apexi GT spec exhaust makes the RB turbo-back exhuast sound 'ricy buzz' in comparison... Seriously.
I've heard both cars running at the same time. GT spec > RB
RB looks better but Apexi is more unique (drivers side exit). Apexi flows better and has a much deeper tone throughout the powerband. RB and the GT series exhaust are actually similar in loudness. Don't confuse the GT spec with the N1's. Completely different exhausts.
Yes... I was offended. (lol)
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Originally Posted by eriksseven
The Apexi GT spec exhaust makes the RB turbo-back exhuast sound 'ricy buzz' in comparison... Seriously.
Originally Posted by eriksseven
I've heard both cars running at the same time. GT spec > RB
Originally Posted by eriksseven
Apexi flows better and has a much deeper tone throughout the powerband.
Originally Posted by eriksseven
RB and the GT series exhaust are actually similar in loudness. Don't confuse the GT spec with the N1's. Completely different exhausts.
That being said, I'm running a single exhaust on my car. I just wanted to point out that there is no way a single exhaust will be as quiet as the RB (unless you put at least one more muffler in as a presilencer).
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