Need help with my clutch setup please!
09-05-22, 11:17 PM
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Need help with my clutch setup please!
So here is my situation.
I have a s5 turbo chassis with a s4 NA motor. I am trying to mount the s5 T2 transmission on the the s4 NA motor but I am just wondering what setup i need? Should i be getting an s5 turbo clutch, and flywheel, or s4 turbo? Also I am kinda confused about the counterweights, would i need to change my out?
Thank you please let me know.
I have a s5 turbo chassis with a s4 NA motor. I am trying to mount the s5 T2 transmission on the the s4 NA motor but I am just wondering what setup i need? Should i be getting an s5 turbo clutch, and flywheel, or s4 turbo? Also I am kinda confused about the counterweights, would i need to change my out?
Thank you please let me know.
09-05-22, 11:27 PM
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IIRC the clutch is the same between the S4 and S5 turbo. You need the flywheel/ counterweight to match the engine so you need either a S4 factory TII flywheel or a S4 counterweight and an aftermarket lightweight TII flywheel for your S4 n/a engine to work with the TII transmission..
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09-06-22, 12:39 AM
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IIRC the clutch is the same between the S4 and S5 turbo. You need the flywheel/ counterweight to match the engine so you need either a S4 factory TII flywheel or a S4 counterweight and an aftermarket lightweight TII flywheel for your S4 n/a engine to work with the TII transmission..
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09-06-22, 09:41 AM
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Yes only need the counterweight for the transmission side.
Auto trans N/A and TII use the same counterweight within the series. So there is a S4 counterweight and a S5 counterweight. Note that Autos were only available on the N/A in the U.S. but IIRC you could get and auto TII in Japan. They would both use the same rear counterweight for the series the car is.
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09-06-22, 11:48 AM
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It doesn't have to be a lightweight flywheel. You can use the stock one. It might be easier to find a lightweight aftermarket one than a stock TII flywheel, though more expensive, I'm sure. If you get a stock flywheel you don't need the counterweight as it is part of the flywheel. On the aftermarket lightweight ones it is not part of the flywheel so you need the rear counterweight from an auto transmission car from the same series as your engine. The flex plate of the auto bolted to the counterweight which attaches to the engine the same way that the manual flywheel does. The aftermarket flywheel attaches to the counterweight like the auto flex plate does.
Yes only need the counterweight for the transmission side.
Auto trans N/A and TII use the same counterweight within the series. So there is a S4 counterweight and a S5 counterweight. Note that Autos were only available on the N/A in the U.S. but IIRC you could get and auto TII in Japan. They would both use the same rear counterweight for the series the car is.
Yes only need the counterweight for the transmission side.
Auto trans N/A and TII use the same counterweight within the series. So there is a S4 counterweight and a S5 counterweight. Note that Autos were only available on the N/A in the U.S. but IIRC you could get and auto TII in Japan. They would both use the same rear counterweight for the series the car is.
09-06-22, 02:52 PM
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Counterweight on a manual car oem flywheel is built into the flywheel. Aftermarket lightweight flywheels do not have the counterweight built into the ffkywheel. It keeps the SKU’s down as you can just add the engine series counterweight.
If running an aftermarket flywheel, you need to add the engine series counterweight to the flywheel.
look at a flywheel and a flex plate and think about the differences in mass, and the fact a torque converter would bolt to a flex plate and it starts to make sense from a manufacturing standpoint.
If running an aftermarket flywheel, you need to add the engine series counterweight to the flywheel.
look at a flywheel and a flex plate and think about the differences in mass, and the fact a torque converter would bolt to a flex plate and it starts to make sense from a manufacturing standpoint.
09-06-22, 03:34 PM
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Counterweight on a manual car oem flywheel is built into the flywheel. Aftermarket lightweight flywheels do not have the counterweight built into the ffkywheel. It keeps the SKU’s down as you can just add the engine series counterweight.
If running an aftermarket flywheel, you need to add the engine series counterweight to the flywheel.
look at a flywheel and a flex plate and think about the differences in mass, and the fact a torque converter would bolt to a flex plate and it starts to make sense from a manufacturing standpoint.
If running an aftermarket flywheel, you need to add the engine series counterweight to the flywheel.
look at a flywheel and a flex plate and think about the differences in mass, and the fact a torque converter would bolt to a flex plate and it starts to make sense from a manufacturing standpoint.
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09-06-22, 07:09 PM
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vs. an aftermarket one and it becomes clearer. FLYWHEEL STEEL, 87-11 TURBO + RX8 | Mazdatrix
09-06-22, 08:10 PM
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Maybe a different way to phrase it is. Only the autos came with a separate counterweight. As DR Knight said the counterweight is built into the OEM flywheel. Look at how the stock flywheel is made Identifying and Weights of Flywheels | Mazdatrix
vs. an aftermarket one and it becomes clearer. FLYWHEEL STEEL, 87-11 TURBO + RX8 | Mazdatrix
Mazdatrix only lists one rear counterweight for the 86-88 13B. REAR COUNTERWEIGHT, 13B 86-88 | Mazdatrix It works for either engine
vs. an aftermarket one and it becomes clearer. FLYWHEEL STEEL, 87-11 TURBO + RX8 | Mazdatrix
Mazdatrix only lists one rear counterweight for the 86-88 13B. REAR COUNTERWEIGHT, 13B 86-88 | Mazdatrix It works for either engine
09-07-22, 12:13 PM
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1. Are you currently using an automatic transmission?
2. If a manual transmission does it have an aftermarket lightweight flywheel?
If the answer to both of these is No, then you don't have a counterweight to use on an aftermarket TII flywheel. Only autos had a separate counterweight. A stock flywheel for a manual trans has the counterweight built into it. It cannot be removed from the flywheel.
If the answer to either is Yes, then yes you can buy a lightweight TII flywheel and put your S4 counterweight on it.
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09-07-22, 04:29 PM
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Before that can be answered I have two questions because you have not said what transmission is currently in the car.
1. Are you currently using an automatic transmission?
2. If a manual transmission does it have an aftermarket lightweight flywheel?
If the answer to both of these is No, then you don't have a counterweight to use on an aftermarket TII flywheel. Only autos had a separate counterweight. A stock flywheel for a manual trans has the counterweight built into it. It cannot be removed from the flywheel.
If the answer to either is Yes, then yes you can buy a lightweight TII flywheel and put your S4 counterweight on it.
1. Are you currently using an automatic transmission?
2. If a manual transmission does it have an aftermarket lightweight flywheel?
If the answer to both of these is No, then you don't have a counterweight to use on an aftermarket TII flywheel. Only autos had a separate counterweight. A stock flywheel for a manual trans has the counterweight built into it. It cannot be removed from the flywheel.
If the answer to either is Yes, then yes you can buy a lightweight TII flywheel and put your S4 counterweight on it.
09-08-22, 01:13 AM
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