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an RX-7 is an RX-7
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NA vs. TII NOT A FLAME WAR!
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NA vs. TII NOT A FLAME WAR!
So lets have it out, right now, in a civil discussion. Everyone's always talking about which is better, well I wanna know why you think so! TII or N/A...what floats your boat and why? (this isnt just a poll, its a discussion with a poll, so please dont put this in polls)
Me? TII of course! Why? I feel it's a superior car in everyway, handling, looks, braking, and of course power! as for reliability, any car is unreliable in the hands of the wrong people...especially one thats 13 years old! To me, a sports car is needs 2 things mainly....handling and power, and id like as much of both as i can get!
Me? TII of course! Why? I feel it's a superior car in everyway, handling, looks, braking, and of course power! as for reliability, any car is unreliable in the hands of the wrong people...especially one thats 13 years old! To me, a sports car is needs 2 things mainly....handling and power, and id like as much of both as i can get!
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Re: NA vs. TII NOT A FLAME WAR!
Originally posted by BoostedRotors
To me, a sports car is needs 2 things mainly....handling and power, and id like as much of both as i can get!
To me, a sports car is needs 2 things mainly....handling and power, and id like as much of both as i can get!
TII for me
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Actually I think a 86-87 GS/Sport or 89-90 GTUs is more fun and a better balanced car.
But I have a T2 motor in my 'vert now. So I vote for both.
But I have a T2 motor in my 'vert now. So I vote for both.
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Re: Re: NA vs. TII NOT A FLAME WAR!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JarrardB
hehe....um....brakes help too dude..
TII for me [/QUOTE
Naahh, only if you wanna stop
hehe....um....brakes help too dude..
TII for me [/QUOTE
Naahh, only if you wanna stop
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Well the turbo revs a little smoother and boost rush is fun. It is faster(althou some N/As will beat stock t11) the potential to spank is thier. Its quieter due to the turbo.
I have an 89GXL and would never think about converting
I do want a turbo though in the future...
The N/A revs higher and will last longer.(Please dont argue that YOUR turbo lasted longer than your N/A)
The choice is yours...U have to ask yourself , Better in what ways?....then find out what u want and go from their.
I have an 89GXL and would never think about converting
I do want a turbo though in the future...
The N/A revs higher and will last longer.(Please dont argue that YOUR turbo lasted longer than your N/A)
The choice is yours...U have to ask yourself , Better in what ways?....then find out what u want and go from their.
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there both RX-7's and there both fun. I love the turbo, But i just have my car in my arms right now (n/a) I test drove an Eagle Talon TSI AWD today, it was okay, nothing special...well i was in the car a friend was driving, that was cool...I say... N/A because it's fast, and i guess its more reliable
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well i look at it like this if i was going to take a turbo II or a n/a out to a driver event or autox id definitly take the n/a, it handle's great, brakes great, has a flat powerband and revs nice and high and you dont have to worry about too much. with the turbo yes its faster but i would cry if something happened to my engine and i lost 4000$+ replacing it. i vote for both cars b/c n/a's are alot slower but i still love them
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Originally posted by ajsuper7
well i look at it like this if i was going to take a turbo II or a n/a out to a driver event or autox id definitly take the n/a, it handle's great, brakes great, has a flat powerband and revs nice and high and you dont have to worry about too much. with the turbo yes its faster but i would cry if something happened to my engine and i lost 4000$+ replacing it. i vote for both cars b/c n/a's are alot slower but i still love them
well i look at it like this if i was going to take a turbo II or a n/a out to a driver event or autox id definitly take the n/a, it handle's great, brakes great, has a flat powerband and revs nice and high and you dont have to worry about too much. with the turbo yes its faster but i would cry if something happened to my engine and i lost 4000$+ replacing it. i vote for both cars b/c n/a's are alot slower but i still love them
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My can car can:
--Do burnouts and doughnuts.
--Drift.
--Kill Rice.
--Handle like a ****.'
--Look cool
--Get lots of attention
--Make me happy
I assum the TII's can do all the above as well.
An RX-7 is an RX-7.
--Do burnouts and doughnuts.
--Drift.
--Kill Rice.
--Handle like a ****.'
--Look cool
--Get lots of attention
--Make me happy
I assum the TII's can do all the above as well.
An RX-7 is an RX-7.
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The naturally aspirated rx-7 are nice because they are well balanced, have a broad powerband, and most of all ARE EASIER TO WORK ON, because they have like nothing in the engine bay.
But, the turbo II's are nice because they are a little bit faster, feel smother to drive and are quiter, but the best part of a turbo is the extra power and the fact that it doesn't take much to modify those cars to an easy 250 hp.
However, the best part about both of these cars the "driver familiarity"...i know when i sit in the seat of my car, i know exactly what that car is capable of, and how it is going to react in certain situations. every rx-7 driver feels this way. I love the way any rx-7 feels, every one has it's own personality, and it seems that only the owner's of these cars are the only one capable of driving it to it's full potential.
Both cars are awesome.
But, the turbo II's are nice because they are a little bit faster, feel smother to drive and are quiter, but the best part of a turbo is the extra power and the fact that it doesn't take much to modify those cars to an easy 250 hp.
However, the best part about both of these cars the "driver familiarity"...i know when i sit in the seat of my car, i know exactly what that car is capable of, and how it is going to react in certain situations. every rx-7 driver feels this way. I love the way any rx-7 feels, every one has it's own personality, and it seems that only the owner's of these cars are the only one capable of driving it to it's full potential.
Both cars are awesome.
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Well.... I love the N/As, don't get me wrong - but I've gotta vote TII.
You see, even though TIIs weigh more, they can be made to handle just as well, and what speed they must lose to an N/A in a turn can easily be made back up in the straights.
Turbos are not impossible to drive in "tight" quarters, they just require more judicious use of the loud pedal. Once the pedal control is learned, it's "torque on demand".
Which is the next reason I like TIIs - torque. N/As have a very sweet, very linear power band, but no torque! Now, we're not talking SBC levels of torque here, but my TII pulls hard after 2.5k, like no N/A can. Even on the highway, I don't have to shift out of 5th - I just mash the pedal and I'm scooting.
And while N/As are much simpler under the hood, TIIs are more fun. I'm a tinkerer at heart, and there are just TOO many things to play with; to optimize, relocate, test and analyze.
And along with all this tinkerability comes upgrade options! There are many more aftermarker TII parts than N/A parts. While my wallet doesn't agree, I feel this is a very good thing.
TIIs also come stock with the "good stuff". They've got the tranny, the driveshaft, the diff, and the halfshafts, as well as the heavy-duty suspension and 4-pot brakes. Sure, some N/As came with a few of these options, but none came with all. Only the GTUs gets the same level of respect from me in the "driveline" dept, and even then it's still got the smooth-case tranny
So which do I vote for? TII.
My $0.07. Cuz my lay just walked out the door.
Brandon
You see, even though TIIs weigh more, they can be made to handle just as well, and what speed they must lose to an N/A in a turn can easily be made back up in the straights.
Turbos are not impossible to drive in "tight" quarters, they just require more judicious use of the loud pedal. Once the pedal control is learned, it's "torque on demand".
Which is the next reason I like TIIs - torque. N/As have a very sweet, very linear power band, but no torque! Now, we're not talking SBC levels of torque here, but my TII pulls hard after 2.5k, like no N/A can. Even on the highway, I don't have to shift out of 5th - I just mash the pedal and I'm scooting.
And while N/As are much simpler under the hood, TIIs are more fun. I'm a tinkerer at heart, and there are just TOO many things to play with; to optimize, relocate, test and analyze.
And along with all this tinkerability comes upgrade options! There are many more aftermarker TII parts than N/A parts. While my wallet doesn't agree, I feel this is a very good thing.
TIIs also come stock with the "good stuff". They've got the tranny, the driveshaft, the diff, and the halfshafts, as well as the heavy-duty suspension and 4-pot brakes. Sure, some N/As came with a few of these options, but none came with all. Only the GTUs gets the same level of respect from me in the "driveline" dept, and even then it's still got the smooth-case tranny
So which do I vote for? TII.
My $0.07. Cuz my lay just walked out the door.
Brandon
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When people ask me if my RX-7 is turbocharged, it's kinda disappointing to have to tell them know.
But after restoring this car for almost six months now, I'm happy just to have it as my daily driver. In other words, I know that my chances of success with a turbo were significantly less. I've had bad luck with turbo cars in the past.
I might supercharge mine, but I've fallen so in love with my car that I don't know about a TII, now.
But after restoring this car for almost six months now, I'm happy just to have it as my daily driver. In other words, I know that my chances of success with a turbo were significantly less. I've had bad luck with turbo cars in the past.
I might supercharge mine, but I've fallen so in love with my car that I don't know about a TII, now.
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I feel that question is unfair, as I love both! (and own both)
I drive a 91 vert, that is fast enough to beat the rice, but still gets more attention than any other 2nd gen. that I see. I love her to death and with the 8K redline, how can I complain? She is so fun to just take out on a drive with the top down for no reason, other than to be driving a RX7.
But on the other hand, my project car is an anniversary edition 88 TII. I am currently dropping about $3.5K into it, just so I can be top dog at the track. Going with haltech, bigger turbo, new (to me) Jspec, injectors, exhaust, radiator, gauges, clutch, flywheel, etc. I want to be sure I know that when I get into this car, I am not going for a cruise in my beautiful vert, and that this car is made for speed! I just know I am going to love this TII when she is finished.
to make a long story short, each have their advantages, and I love em both!
Kris
I drive a 91 vert, that is fast enough to beat the rice, but still gets more attention than any other 2nd gen. that I see. I love her to death and with the 8K redline, how can I complain? She is so fun to just take out on a drive with the top down for no reason, other than to be driving a RX7.
But on the other hand, my project car is an anniversary edition 88 TII. I am currently dropping about $3.5K into it, just so I can be top dog at the track. Going with haltech, bigger turbo, new (to me) Jspec, injectors, exhaust, radiator, gauges, clutch, flywheel, etc. I want to be sure I know that when I get into this car, I am not going for a cruise in my beautiful vert, and that this car is made for speed! I just know I am going to love this TII when she is finished.
to make a long story short, each have their advantages, and I love em both!
Kris
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I have owned both but I gave up my N/A to buy another t2 for a daily driver and stupid me have to make the daily driver faster. lol I love turbo's I love the power,the turbo hiss, the blow off valve noise, the deep sound. turbo rx7's are "good times"
oh yeah my N/A was cool to atleast it did 14.9 ET's
oh yeah my N/A was cool to atleast it did 14.9 ET's
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i just got my first rx7, an NA, at the monment im loving it, its fast, today i had some help from a friend who happend to show up in his 240sx and being able to keep up with a car that was dynoed at 205rwhp was a nice feeling considering all i have done is goten my 5th and 6th ports working and begun the removel of all the heavy stuff
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An RX-7 is an RX-7. I have immense respect for both the N/A and the TII and would love to have either.
The rotary is the heart and soul of the RX-7...a turbo is just a little bonus on top of an already great thing.
These cars are amazing, there's no debating that. Turbo or not, they are my passion.
The rotary is the heart and soul of the RX-7...a turbo is just a little bonus on top of an already great thing.
These cars are amazing, there's no debating that. Turbo or not, they are my passion.
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Originally posted by No7Yet
Well.... I love the N/As, don't get me wrong - but I've gotta vote TII.
You see, even though TIIs weigh more, they can be made to handle just as well, and what speed they must lose to an N/A in a turn can easily be made back up in the straights.
Turbos are not impossible to drive in "tight" quarters, they just require more judicious use of the loud pedal. Once the pedal control is learned, it's "torque on demand".
Which is the next reason I like TIIs - torque. N/As have a very sweet, very linear power band, but no torque! Now, we're not talking SBC levels of torque here, but my TII pulls hard after 2.5k, like no N/A can. Even on the highway, I don't have to shift out of 5th - I just mash the pedal and I'm scooting.
And while N/As are much simpler under the hood, TIIs are more fun. I'm a tinkerer at heart, and there are just TOO many things to play with; to optimize, relocate, test and analyze.
And along with all this tinkerability comes upgrade options! There are many more aftermarker TII parts than N/A parts. While my wallet doesn't agree, I feel this is a very good thing.
TIIs also come stock with the "good stuff". They've got the tranny, the driveshaft, the diff, and the halfshafts, as well as the heavy-duty suspension and 4-pot brakes. Sure, some N/As came with a few of these options, but none came with all. Only the GTUs gets the same level of respect from me in the "driveline" dept, and even then it's still got the smooth-case tranny
So which do I vote for? TII.
My $0.07. Cuz my lay just walked out the door.
Brandon
Well.... I love the N/As, don't get me wrong - but I've gotta vote TII.
You see, even though TIIs weigh more, they can be made to handle just as well, and what speed they must lose to an N/A in a turn can easily be made back up in the straights.
Turbos are not impossible to drive in "tight" quarters, they just require more judicious use of the loud pedal. Once the pedal control is learned, it's "torque on demand".
Which is the next reason I like TIIs - torque. N/As have a very sweet, very linear power band, but no torque! Now, we're not talking SBC levels of torque here, but my TII pulls hard after 2.5k, like no N/A can. Even on the highway, I don't have to shift out of 5th - I just mash the pedal and I'm scooting.
And while N/As are much simpler under the hood, TIIs are more fun. I'm a tinkerer at heart, and there are just TOO many things to play with; to optimize, relocate, test and analyze.
And along with all this tinkerability comes upgrade options! There are many more aftermarker TII parts than N/A parts. While my wallet doesn't agree, I feel this is a very good thing.
TIIs also come stock with the "good stuff". They've got the tranny, the driveshaft, the diff, and the halfshafts, as well as the heavy-duty suspension and 4-pot brakes. Sure, some N/As came with a few of these options, but none came with all. Only the GTUs gets the same level of respect from me in the "driveline" dept, and even then it's still got the smooth-case tranny
So which do I vote for? TII.
My $0.07. Cuz my lay just walked out the door.
Brandon
Of course I blew my engine after that, but the list of cars I killed with my barely modded car is crazy . Time to build it better, stronger, faster. You'll see it when I'm done, and soon you will see my roomate's 60-1 TII, that will run 11's . Many pics and videos this summer!
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Can't you simply put the cars into different categories.
Performance - t2
Reliability - NA
Chumps that post polls and comments like this - Stupid
Make up your own mind. Who cares what others think. People try and convence themselves that an NA is better than a turbo because they didn't buy one and now they want one. I didn't spend the extra money or spend the time to find a turbo when I bought my Rx-7 which is why I have a slow joe 87 gxl. The turbo is the better car, it has all the options and better performance, isn't that what you want out of a car? NA is good for cruisin around everyday, because a turbo shortens an engine's lifespan. Why do tards keep posting stuff like this?
Performance - t2
Reliability - NA
Chumps that post polls and comments like this - Stupid
Make up your own mind. Who cares what others think. People try and convence themselves that an NA is better than a turbo because they didn't buy one and now they want one. I didn't spend the extra money or spend the time to find a turbo when I bought my Rx-7 which is why I have a slow joe 87 gxl. The turbo is the better car, it has all the options and better performance, isn't that what you want out of a car? NA is good for cruisin around everyday, because a turbo shortens an engine's lifespan. Why do tards keep posting stuff like this?