knightkarr

So i've been seeing some people say they are all for their N/A's. Others on the other hand are all for turbo. Personally I like turbos, i like the thrust you get against your seat as they spool, and the bov sound. Plus, your car always sounds cooler when you tell someone it's "turbo." hehehe

- Carlos

1987RX7guy

iTrader: (3)

It doesn't matter. They are both great cars. The N/a is a better daily driver I guess and it is still quick enough to kick some A but the Turbo II is the one with the bigger boot. I want to get a TII but I am not selling my N/a I love my Sport.


Santiago

mazdaenthused

Yea i also like turbo i just got one my self

Dan H

Owned an NA. Getting a TII. As long as they're RX7's, they're fun to drive in my book!

Icemark

Yeah, who's the car for???

Some under 20 year old, I'd say the N/A no questions asked. The Turbo has way too much power for the in-experinced driver (but I'd recommend a FWD Toyota or perhaps even [shudder] a Honda for the same age group). The astounding vast majority of cars totalled are by that under 20 age group, let them drive a POS until they get the skills.

And the same if you are planning on a daily driver.

After that it really a question of taste. Do you prefer the ultimate in balance in a sports car or do you want raw HP?

But they really are different enough to make it a driver thing. What does the educated experienced driver prefer?

So I'd recommend based on the driver, not the car.

knightkarr

good point

jgrts20

i agree with icemark, under 20 stick with a ricer mobile!!

Dan H

Thats BS. I'm turning 19 in a few months but I shouldn't get a TII?

Depends on the person. I'll probably baby my TII most of the time. Now if we're talking about some "fast and furious" wannabe driver or someone who just started driving and wants to drift, then we have a problem if they choose a TII. They're rare enough as they are.

Icemark

When you have had 12+ years of owning and driving FCs like I have, and maybe 20+ years of driving experience, then come talk to me. We'll see if you feel the same way then.

Otherwise, I stand by my recommendations.

And babying a rotary is about the worst thing you can do for the motor.

Dan H

Well, babying for most of the time. Of course, stretchings its legs now and then. I would redline occasionally when I had my NA as well. Reliability and suspension mods are first on the list and power comes later. The TII I'm getting isn't exactly in great shape.

No means of any disrespect though, you're like a god when it comes to FC's and a huge help to the forum. I think it mainly depends on the person behind the wheel. I can resist the urge to "gun it" in heavy traffic or on highways unlike most of the people I know around my age. Avoiding potential trouble drivers as well by pulling back when I see someone weaving in and out of traffic. Of course, like you said, experience comes with years of driving too. That is just my opinion though and I believe both come hand in hand.

(Think steve's dog)

jaw bizzaw

age and driving experience doesn't mean ****. i just got nailed a few hours ago sitting at a red light by a man in his 40s and im sure he has been driving way longer then me. sure it does help but it doesnt mean everything. if you think having 20+ years in driving experience is what it takes to have skills then it seems you took the little bus to school. I mean 20 years old and starting driving at 16 is 4-5 years of experience if you dont have the idea of driving down by then maybe you should take the bus.

introVert

I love the N/A. Of course, I own a vert, I am using it as a daily driver, and I have passed my "Boy Racer" years, being 31. I enjoy the handling and finesse of the car, and the ability to put the top down and do some mildly spirited driving now and again. I have no idea and can care less about 0-60 or quarter mile times, I just love the way it handles. So I think the car suits me well.

That being said, those of you in the pursuit of the perfect explosion- uh, I mean performance- the T2 will suit you well. Bang for the buck factor is high, with a few cheap mods yielding usable power. Keep on modding, and post em here- just because I don't race doesn't mean I am not interested in some of the amazing things people do to these beloved rotaries.

RX7_ZRO

I'm not even sure if I'd recommend the bus to someone who's been driving that long and not figured it out yet. Although you do have to consider whether or not the person has previously handled anything even close to a sports car...I wouldn't wanna hand some minivan drivin' soccer mom the keys to my RX, that's for sure.

Dougster

I think it depends on your own taste, I have owned a few 1st gens, many a 2nd gen including 2 verts and a few T2's and once I had the Turbo...I didn't want to go back to a na...They are all fun though and a great value for a true sports car!

eljefe62

I like brunettes...
Why do we see this thread every week?
It's a matter of finance, personal taste, and opportunity...

Shmapdi

I just like the rotary engine so it doesn't matter to me!

I'm 17 and just bought my first car, an 87 GXL, 2 weeks ago and I'm lovin' it! I agree with Dan, it really depends on the person. Most accidents around here are caused by reckless kids driving Hondas and SUV's. The first week of school, a kid died racing from school, he hit a semi truck. Kids here in Vegas are pretty spoiled, their parents buy 'em brand new Expeditions and then there are kids like me and my firends, who work for a year to buy a $900 car without a stereo(ie my GXL) adn there's no way I'm gonna jeopardize my dream car.

Icemark

We all like to think, we are the best driver and much better than our peers.

Even those kids in their Honda's and SUVs think that. Hey they were in the same drivers training classes, how did we get so much better than them?

How often do you hear someone say, "You know I really suck at driving?" It really is something that most of us can't objectively view about ourselves.

But you do hear quite a few of us brag that we are great drivers, that know exactly what to do in every situation.

There is another forum member (in that under 20 age group) that thinks he is a great driver as well, yet just this week he didn't look properly and pulled in front of a moving car and totaled his FC.

But, it is hard to argue with nationwide the 16-20 age group has more accidents than any other, and is followed closely by the 20-25 and 65+ age groups. Of course the insurance rates reflect this, but it doesn't stop the fact. Interesting that traffic citations also follow that same exact age trend.

When you get into your thirties or later, and have had more than a couple years experience driving, you will look back and think, "Wow, I sure thought I was hot **** then."

So, my suggestion that younger drivers, that they stay away from more higher performance vehicles is based on that personal experience as well as the raw statistics. Plus, the N/A FC is one of the best balanced cars in the world, and a much better choice for many drivers; age independent.

RXciting

for the ppl who but their *** and buy their car with their own blood, sweat and tears, more power to ya..
anything i've ever owned has been bought like that..

LOL unlike my more mature 21 almost 22 year old sister who had my parents pay for her lisence, driving school and part of her Integra SE which she has had for 6 months and proceeded to rear end someone doing 25km/h just recently.. as if that wasn't enough parent paid for the cheap body work

looks like someone went at the hood with a hammer and a can of wrong colour spray paint (feel sorta sorry for that car)

so i guess it goes to show most ppl that work their *** off tend to pay more attention to what they're doing with their property

-Frank

Icemark

Yeah I agree with that Frank... you value more what you earn, rather than what is given to you

Dan H

Very true. It took me a while to save up for my FC. Funny you mention that, an old friend of mines (same age) just got a WRX from his parents. Few months later, I see damage along the front fender, door, and rear quarter panel. Ouch! And he got his WRX one day after I finally bought my FC.

His best friend mentioned my enthusiasm for my car (you do tend to like a car more when you work for it) while the WRX owner was complaining about body roll this, ugly stock wheels that, etc.

knightkarr

Seriously dude! Few weeks back I went to Vegas for my 21st bday with my gf. As I was going down the strip the psycho highschoolers were speeding and dodging traffic. It was packed, and these dudes were playing fast and furious.


On another note, there are so many factors that determine a bad driver. I think it has to do with how fast your own first car was. The person that learns how to drive in a moderately fast vehicle, has higher expectations of acceleration and speed. This dude that i know, his first car was a taurus sho. I know that it's a sedan, but for a first car in my opinion was too fast. He later bought a mazda mp3, and as we all know they handle, but don't have power for ****! ... i feel sooo bad for that car. He treats it like a piece of crap . He redlines it all the time, cool or not. Goes flying on tiny mountain roads and is pretty scary. He's already been in a couple of accidents at just 19. He wont listen, and pisses me off, so i never ride with him. He'll kill himself if he keeps it up.

Another big factor is probably insecurities. The psycho driver wants to be the man (or women) with the biggest *****, or prove to have the better toy. I figure that's cool as long as you do so in the track, like autox.

I agree with Ice on giving a decently fast vehicle to a first time driver is a bad idea. With peer presure, with the "trying to look cool" factor, and just proving to have the bigger ****, all gets in the way. But i still think that is only half the problem if the kid is easily influenced by it's kind.

my two cents

- Carlos

jaw bizzaw

I do agree as a first car maybe a sports car isnt the best thing. But you do seem to give alittle more care to it if you paid for it with your money, especially when you put in the wrench time.

BobbyRX

NA's will have the same or better low end response. The T2's will have more top end. Turbo's dont help your low end power unless they are undersized, or have a proper tuned header and intake. Its extremely hard to build low end and have a balanced system to boot, stock turbo, is not going to be close to the smoothness of a NA. Turbos are great for the drag strip, but can hinder you in the turns if controling the throttle is hard for you.

I'm in the middle age group (22 in 2 months). I agree with the older timers on this forum. Young kids are idiots for the most part! My dad was a ralley racer (austin healeys) who spent times overseas driving. I learn everything I can from him, and I'm still no where near his ability. Now that he is pushing 52, his driving is starting to suck. He tailgates people, acclerates way to fast for the distance of the vehicle in front of him, etc. Age can make you cocky but it can also teach you to avoid accidents and choose better lines in traffic.

Kids: Weave in traffic because they are too snotty to look ahead AT LEAST 5-7 car lengths. Who give a **** about the person directly in front of you... watch the back of their head so you can see what their lane change or mood will be next. Look through their windshield and follow the flow of traffic in front of them. If you can see that 10 cars are going to be backed up, change lanes then. Don't change before because the lane your're going into will be slowing down and you'll just have to go back.

I have used most of my "tricks" to gain at least 25 car lengths, without exceeding the speed limit, for the most part. I even took my dad out, to show him my new found road rage... advantage

Point being: Get a NA until you are REALLY comfortable with the handling of the car. Then get a T2 if you really need the extra power. Use good judgement when changing lanes, and Check your blindspot!!! When I first got my car, I nearly ran a honda off the road cause the pest was riding in my blindspot.......

P.S. The cops will watch you.... I just got a speeding ticket comming back from the coast... at least its my frist ever. Good luck with your new car!

rx7freddie

my turbo 2 isnt even boosting right now and is fast as hell . faster then any na i ever owned . i cant wait till i found out whats wrong wit it .

RXciting

i find alot of teenagers, lol me having just turned 20, tend to drive to impress, wether is the person beside them or the car beside them

i guess since i started driving motor bikes when i was 14 in italy i got that outta my system very early.. maybe also because by the time i was 15, 2 of my friends had already died in accidents, one hit a drunk driver that blew a red throwing him over his bike (wearing a helmet) died 2 days later in the hospital and the other had a few drinks and failed to negotiate a 90 degree turn on wet pavement going into the wall at 80 both were know well by everyone R.I.P

Don't get me wrong every now and then i try to give the person beside me a bit of a rush on the queens way or on a country road with a little spirited driveing

But usually when i kick it, it's on some open country road by myself with very little or sometimes 0 traffic for miles on end for my own little rush

anyways have fun and don't drink and drive or i'll bitch slap you so hard your in-laws will feel it

-Frank