2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

N/A to TII Swap-How Difficult?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:24 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
N/A to TII Swap-How Difficult?

Okay, guys, I'm thinking about seeing if I can find a TII setup for parts in my area and swapping the TII onto my motor. I don't know much about turbos or anything so I thought I'd come here and ask for advice first. Is it that difficult and am I gonna have to get a hood with the scoop like what's originally on the TII's? I'd appreciate the input. Feel free to inform me of anything I haven't mentioned that might need changing cuz I've only dealt with N/A's so far.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:26 PM
  #2  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
I forgot to mention, it's an '89 Vert.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:35 PM
  #3  
picazo505's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 273
Likes: 0
From: Miami,Fl were is to danm hot all the time
it will be cheaper to get a T2 car, that doing the swap my .02
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:38 PM
  #4  
darkwaveboi's Avatar
Need donor car in Fairfax
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,759
Likes: 0
From: Northern Virginia
you dont need the hood if you go with a front mount
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:40 PM
  #5  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
So you're saying to just go get a TII car in the first place instead. I would except for one little problem. money, I'm a little short on it (Damn insurance). I was kinda hoping that swapping in the TII setup from a wrecked car or something would be a little cheaper.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:40 PM
  #6  
FC Drifter's Avatar
Damaged Little F*cker
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 840
Likes: 0
From: High Point, North Carolina
ok, youll need the T2 engine and wiring harness and ECU, the trans and driveshaft and differential. if you stick with the factory top-mount intercooler, then you will need the T2 hood. its a helluva lot of work, so usualy its not worth it and id tell you not to do it. but a vert is an exception. we didnt get the turbo verts like the rest of the world did so its the only FC worth swapping over to T2.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:41 PM
  #7  
FC Drifter's Avatar
Damaged Little F*cker
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 840
Likes: 0
From: High Point, North Carolina
ps-it will not be cheap
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:44 PM
  #8  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
okay, so engine and connected components, I'm guessing around 1K at least for those, tranny drive and diff I'm guessing total up to at least another 2K (guesstimating) plus hood (cheap from junkyard hopefully, then paint) so I'm adding up to 3-4K. You're right, not cheap.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:54 PM
  #9  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
Finding a wrecked TII with a good engine would be the best way to go about it. Everything you would need would be right there. Except hood, if damaged.

Of course those are few and far between.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 08:56 PM
  #10  
jon88se's Avatar
Eat, sleep, work, mod.
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,517
Likes: 0
From: Long Island
find a TII motor, get an aftermarket clutch and flywheel combo and you should be able to bolt the TII to the NA drivetrain. Then buy a used starion FMIC and have some simple pipes fabricated...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:01 PM
  #11  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
Okay, this is where I get lost, I've only been on the auto scene (actually into it I should say) for about a year. What's a FMIC? Any recommendations on the clutch and flywheel?
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:04 PM
  #12  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
Front Mounted InterCooler

ACT makes good clutches.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:06 PM
  #13  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
Ive heard that a TII motor and flywheel will bolt up to a N/A tranny. You start to run into problems if you want more than stock TII power (182hp-202hp) THe N/A trannys are known to only be able to take 200 hp with out problems.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:19 PM
  #14  
BDoty311's Avatar
88 AE
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,865
Likes: 0
From: N/A
Do you really need the turbo motor itself?? Ive read somewhere that you could run a turbo setup with a n/a engine, but it would run at a higher compression. I could be wrong though.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:26 PM
  #15  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
The problem with running a turbo on a N/A is that no one makes a turbo kit for it. A custom kit could be made by piecing stock TII conponents together. U run into many problems though. One of the biggest being a stock turbo and manifold does not fit under a N/A intake manifold. They are significantly different. You could swap a TII manifold on there. I do not know how well it would swap though.

Then there is the compression issue. How big of an issue is this? who knows? how many people have turbocharged an N/A block? not many.

Then you have to think if the engine is new. if not the boost will most likely blow the engine in a relativaly short time.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:56 PM
  #16  
autocrash's Avatar
Now with more 1st Gen!
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,534
Likes: 0
From: Ottawa
There is a turbo kit for the N/A!!
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 09:58 PM
  #17  
autocrash's Avatar
Now with more 1st Gen!
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,534
Likes: 0
From: Ottawa
"Sticky: Final Pictures and Status of NA Turbo Install "
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 10:17 PM
  #18  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
Are we going to petition Aaron to start making a kit?
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2002 | 10:28 PM
  #19  
sbertolone's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 319
Likes: 0
From: Denver, CO
the best way to do this swap is find a tII with a blown motor for cheap if you look you kind find them for around 1500 bucks you have all the parts you need there and then buy a jspec engine for a grand and be done for less than 3 grand than take all the parts you swapped off of your car and put them on the tII and have a winter car or something to beat on for fun
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2002 | 06:40 AM
  #20  
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
From: frisco
im also doing the the same swap, if you dont have a hook up for the turboII rear end i really dont think you should do it.i think going with turboII with a blown motor is the best way to go cause there hella cheaper and it would save you the labor
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2002 | 07:35 AM
  #21  
silverrotor's Avatar
Moderator
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 7,592
Likes: 5
From: Toronto, Corporate Canada
I'm waiting for Aaron to lash out and call whom ever a monkeybutt for not reading his thread on the top of the page.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2002 | 02:09 PM
  #22  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Parkersburg, West Virginia
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong (which I have a feeling I am) but isn't it kinda hard to drive with a blown motor? I thought a blown motor was one that didn't work.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2002 | 02:44 PM
  #23  
AbecX's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 268
Likes: 0
From: /dev/mustang
Originally posted by RX7_ZRO
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong (which I have a feeling I am) but isn't it kinda hard to drive with a blown motor? I thought a blown motor was one that didn't work.
A blown motor is one under forced induction.

I'm about to do this swap as well, converting a '86 na to a t2 setup ( year depends on which car I find ). I have the 5spd and 4 lug car, and I think the tranny will be just fine.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2002 | 03:45 PM
  #24  
chris_stampe's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 725
Likes: 0
From: Spearfish, SD
the tranny will be fine w/ a good clutch. I did my entire swap all costs included for 1500 and I have some nice parts to show for it too. Im still using the na driveline, but i have a dual friction clutch and lsd. Also 2.5 exhaust, hks bov, intake. this site rules and helped me out alot....http://hypntyz.rx7life.com/t2conversion1.htm
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2002 | 03:47 PM
  #25  
chris_stampe's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 725
Likes: 0
From: Spearfish, SD
O, and btw whoever said that it would be cheaper to buy a TII assumes that you want a coupe (unless you wanna **** out the cash to import a tII vert) and that you can find one in your area.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:01 AM.