RyoFC3S

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Hey guys,

Just got my car back from the shop a couple days ago and thought i'd post up some pics. For any of you Colorado guys it was installed by Jim Berg & Thomas at Phantom Motorsports.

Basically I got a completely custom VMIC setup (2.5'' aluminum piping), Turbonetics 60-1 Comp (.81 A/R for spool) Turbo, Tial 40mm ex. Wastegate, and Griffin 3'' Radiator installed. Havnt gotten it to the dyno'ed yet (waiting on injectors) but it pulls very hard in the higher gears & RPM's.

Air cooling is decent.. Biggest problems i'm having right now is lack of intercooler exhaust (right now air comes into the intercooler and just smacks into the hood). I need to buy a NA hood (if anyone has a white one in good condition PM me) and get a big vent on it. Also, my intake is in probably the worst place it could possibly be (right behind the radiator), and I need to get that re-routed to the driver side wheel well. My radiator doesent have any fans on it right now either, so I'm driving it as little as possible during the day and avoiding slower roads and traffic like the plague.

Anyway. If you have any comments or questions feel free to post them up here.

Pic 1

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Pic 3

Pic 4 (Turbo)

Pic 5

-Andrew

P.S. Thanks Blue TII for inspiration and help.

20Bforme

looks really nice!

Mindspin311

Mind me asking the price you paid for the V mount setup alone?

RyoFC3S

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Well the entire bill was $1800 (parts (excluding core, turbo, wg, and rad) and labor). Id guess it was just around $1000 for the VMIC alone (radiator mounting, IC mounting, piping, etc..).

-Andrew

91mazdarx7

nice setup looks good i'd like to see what numbers it will produce keep us updated

88t2romad

what will you be using for a hood?

Jaiyurai

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you do have sheet metal on the sides and anything else to cram in the cracks. Small little areas where air pass thru really can effect a lot. Well, plus you don't have a fan yet.

You should get a hood like mine..

staticguitar313

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nice v-setup, how big is that intercooler?

YearsOfDecay

I'm still wondering about these V-mounts.....

I Mean... How much better is it to stick the intercooler over the radiator that over top of the engine..

I know that its a bigger, more efficient intercooler.. But the MOST efficient air to air intercooler cannot cool the charge air down any more that the temperature of the ambient air.. and if you got hot air from the radiator fan cookin the IC.. Aren't you just beating a dead horse??????

Seriously.. I LIKE it... If someone can prove to me that you can get decent temps out of one (like show me a haltech tadalog at 14PSI of boost.... I"LL get one cause I'd like to put an e-fan in but the Front mount makes that kinda hard to do and not have the thing running all the time...

staticguitar313

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fresh air flows to both, if the intercooler is vented properly (like a vent right above it) it should be very effective, but there are variables. make shure that all the edges are sealed, you could also duct the ic seperately. I'm going to do this setup whenever it is that i finally have all my parts and supplies collected for my car, right now all i have is a S4 turbo and intake/exhaust manifolds i hate being poor

Fitness Stain

yeah i was wondering about a vmount too ...
it seems like i would be a touch easier to install, however the draw backs of it not getting direct air feed from the front of the car seems to make it not worth it

it looks good though!

ilike2eatricers

******* badass.

staticguitar313

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dont have to cut up the car to mount it (at least no as much), no need to remove bumper support. proper ducting will supply enough air to cool it id think

Digi7ech

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Very nice. Are you able to get any side pics of how the radiator was mounted?

I want to do this within a couple months.

Digi7ech

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Also is that a custom IC or EBay one? What are the measurements?

Your style seems like it will be pretty easy to create.

Looks like it does the same thing as the Greddy/HKS FMIC and slips through the very slim area between the PS pump rack.

RX-Heven

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Looks good. To bad no air will pass through it.

Remedies:
Vented hood ABOVE (not behind) the ic with plenty of sealed ducting to force air through it. Anything but the TII hood. The TII scoop forces more air into the engine bay without an ic right under it and seriously diminishes the amount of air coming through the front end of the car. I know first hand the difference as confirmed by plenty of track time with various setups. Even the n/a hood was better and better yet was the n/a hood with spacers betweent he hinges. I now have a Panspeed vented hood.

The two advantages I see to a v-mount are the elimination of water temps rising as a result of a fmic blocking the radiator and the "coolness factor". Higher water temps of course can be cured by a better radiator and proper ducting.

The ic's effectiveness is seriously compromised in that position unless you have adequate ducting of FRESH (i.e. cold) air directed through it and of course somewhere for the air to go. You did do it right by angling the radiator back so they both recieve fresh air, but the air has nowhere to go and as a result, will not even pass through the ic in the first place. Also, you need to something to cover up the cowl area. Remember air will find the easiest way out.

You did do a very nice job nonetheless, just need to do something with the hood.

btw, any vented hood you make or buy should have a raised lip at the leading edge to create a pressure differential to help pull the air through the ic.

RX-Heven

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I also just noticed you moved the oil cooler way up and out of the airflow. Thats a big no-no.

crashdummy

why did you position the intercooler like that?? usually when people do a v mount they want very short ic pipes. why didnt you flip the ic the other way so the piping could be half as short>?

Jaiyurai

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The hood that I have has a small lip. Approx 1/2 inch higher than the hood right now. I'm working on it. It will be heighten up to 1 inch by next week. But already, I'm noticing lower temps. 2-4C lower at standing and 3-7C moving.

Honestly, I thought going to a Vmount setup on the FC required cutting the rad support. I like the setup honestly, but it sits closer to the engine than BlueTII's. But like some people said, when going to a Vmount, you have to block off every hole and crack to direct all possible flowing air to the rad/IC. Getting an aftermarket front bumper helps too because of larger air holes.

RyoFC3S

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RXHeaven> As I said, the next thing on my to-do list is to get a new hood, and i was planning on doing exactly what you said. Im buying an N/A hood and having a local guy cut a a big whole about the same size as the core of intercooler (but slightly smaller from the top to bottom of the IC). He will then cut back some lines at the top corners (closest to the driver) back and bend the area between the lines downward. Its a little hard to explain but in essence it will be kind of like a reverse hood scoop.

Also, the oil cooler isnt as high as it seems, and in the pictures i have dont have the stock plastic air shields in. Surprisingly, those little black plastic things do a wonderful job of directing air into the oil cooler. I'll snap a shot of it a little later.

Crashdummy> Take a close look at picture #3. You'll notice that my intercooler is slightly oversized, so the back 1/3 hardly receives air flow at all. If the piping/air was to come in at that back 1/3 it would receive little or no air flow. Also, If i remember correctly, when we were fitting it all in there we figured out that there would be 2 or 3 more bends in the system if we were to do it that way.

Also, I forgot to mention, after some road tests ive figured some things out. During our cool nights, the intercooler does a marvelous job of cooling the air. The inlet pipe to the intercooler is blistering hot (too hot to hold your hand on), while the outlet pipe is almost COLD. However, during the hot day, although there is still a noticeable difference between the inlet and outlet temperatures, the outlet is still very warm.

Finally, in no way is this complete yet. Its still a work and progress. Consider this thread a 'point in the timeline' so to speak.

-Andrew

Funkspectrum

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That's a sweet lookin setup but I'd have to agree with RX-Heven's posts.

I'm thinking about doing the same thing but moving the radiator in front of the support rather than behind it in the stock location. That way it maintains a semi stock locale with the possible added airflow over it to the IC if I run new cooling ducts. If I do it right, I can probably maximize airflow to the radiator by slanting it at a slightly more extreme angle and still have room for an IC like yours. I may even run a seperate cooling fan for the IC mounted underneath to push air up and out. Of course, I'd probably have to manuver a bit with the rad hoses to clear the IC piping.

I dunno...I may be talking out of my *** but I'm gonna give it a shot to see what kind of benefits I can get from that setup. Trial and error...never hurts to try....

RyoFC3S

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Belive me, theres a lot less room then there seems in there. We tried a ton of different things but ended up with this design for optimal performance. I also was thinking about putting a fan on the buttom of the IC to push some air through it, but I dont want to put too much stress on the alt.

-Andrew

pinkfloyd

I am using that same IC and was thinking about a V-mount if you could get me as many pics as possible that would be great. Like how you mounted the rad and well just pics everywhere...... my email is happymatt123@yahoo.com if you dont want to have to resize them here. Also it sucks when people dont read your post and ask stupid questions over and over again.


for those people that dont beleave in V-mounts do some research and you will find out the ups and downs to doing it.

jack_arss

nice work. After reading all these people say "im guna do it..." it's cool to see somone actually go through with their Vmount plans.

that looks like a modified greddy specV kit. I was wondering the same thing as crashdummy, it seems like it'd make more since having the core flipped the other way.

turbo-polak

you made 255whp at 13.5psi on the stock turbo?