I am going to pull a fairly high number here and say 450hp. Now an application puting out 450 or 380 to 450 what type of ems solutions do you recomend.

Is the ignition timing so important here that we need a stand alone or maybe just a megasquirt?

 

I guess there is no surprise that I am going to recommend the Haltech.

 

or microtech, etc. find out what is most prevalent in the area with tuners.

 

lol Rat. You are allways good for a haltech post. :-)

So what you guys are saying if you are looking at neer 400 to 450 mark that there is no exception and you need a stand alone.

Ok.

What is the limits and options outside of stand alone? Trying to stay under 700$

 

don't forget about megasquirt

 

Now that I didn't say. I never say you CAN'T do anything, because I don't believe that the limits of what can and can't be done have been fully explored. Can 400-450 be done on a stock ecu? Hell, maybe. Would I try it? Heck no! I don't have the time, energy, or money to explore that fully.

For the "Average Joe" that wants a drivable 400 HP, I would RECOMMEND a standalone.

 

Megasquirt is good for fuel only on a rotary and something else controlling iginition, I used stock ecu for iginition on my n/a. Although leading ignition using stock cas for siganal have been firgured out, I beleave another board is nessary, and they are still working out on trailling split.. so I wouldn't really trust it much on a Boosted application.

But for my ported S5 Turbo Motor I will be going with haltech E6X, so if anyone has hook ups or knows some place to get it really cheap.. let me know. Most places I found were 1.4k range would try to get it close to 1k if posible.

Cheers.

 

Anything which you can get the best support will work.
The best stand-alone is still CRAP if you dunno what you're doing.

Power levels really has nothing to do with options.
All of the quality name-brand stand-alones units are capable of handling almost anything you throw at them.

The stand-alone doesn't know you're making 450.


-Ted

 

Hate to be cliche, but - Cheap. Fast. Reliable. Pick two. You're going to have a tough time making that kind of reliable power on the cheap. Its hard to find a standalone for under $700 unless you happen to come across a used one at a great price. That said, here is a post with someone selling a Wolf 3D V3 for $450 - seems like a great deal to me as long as its complete (harness, sensors, etc.):

http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=42672

You don't NEED a standalone to make 450 hp, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust my engine to the stock ECU and piggybacks. It has been done, but I'm sure more people have failed with that setup than succeeded.

If you wanted to keep it cheap, you can either pick up a used Haltech, Microtech, Wolf, etc. or go with a megasquirt which is a DIY kit that you put together yourself. Apparently the support forums are great for the megasquirt and there are some people working on having it control timing on rotaries as well. The megasquirt seems like a lot of work, but it may save you a lot of money in the long run if you're willing to put in the time and research.

 

you could pick up a used e6K for 700 and it would most likely have the wiring harness done so it would give you a easy install. But if I had to do it again I would go with microtech. They seem to be making advances to make their systems non expert tuner friendly and haltechs last version of the e6x has been a complete POS. Half need to be sent back to AUS to get the pins fixed. I own a e6x and have had my share of trouble with it. I am not knocking haltech but I am going to say they need to pull all the e6x's from the shelves and fix the known problem before someone buys them. Thats horrible business management.

 

Thx for the input guys. Thats what I am looking for realy. What systems offer advantages and what the HP curve realy is for a piggy back and what type of piggy back is usefull. Megasquirt is cheep and seems good. I pulld a high number of 450 because if it ever goes there I hate to build for 350 and have to change parts. Much rather build it right first time and not do it twice. Checking the buget range you are looking at and potential of car. As is no tuners in my area.

 

I have seen people run microtechs and stock cars, and get a really nice gain. Or anystand alone for that matter. If I were you I would choose a haltech over MT because of the ability to upload maps. And since you dont have a tuner, you can always get guys to give you sort of a base, or road worthy map with your mods. MY holds only 4 maps and they are stored in the laptop adapter.