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Old 08-10-01, 02:44 PM
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What was your GB for? In what section of the forum?
Im not sure that I saw it.

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it was in this section[2nd gen specific]it was for 10pds steel flywheel from japperformance.com.if you could work something out with them,that would be great.i'm not trying to put your store down at all,but the price is way cheaper then any flywheel offered in the us,and,even if you gave us all a really good deal on a rb flywheel,i'm pretty sure it would cost a good amount more,and,to me,a couple of hundred bucks makes a difference.anyhow.to bad this turned into this big "situation"
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Are we getting any closer to having a set of rules for GB Posters to follow. I have a questions about the whole dealer thing. If someone is not in any way a dealer do you want them to pay to post thier GBP. I hope all details are covered when you post the rules.
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Originally posted by gr0undz3r0
Are we getting any closer to having a set of rules for GB Posters to follow. I have a questions about the whole dealer thing. If someone is not in any way a dealer do you want them to pay to post thier GBP. I hope all details are covered when you post the rules.
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Basically we will have a set of rules in the next day or so. There will be a link at the top of the forum.

The problem before was that people were going to these other vendors and working up a GB on a part then coming to the forum to get members to join the GB.
This gives the vendor free advertising and a nice income off the forum.
We needed to stop that if we wanted any of these vendors to think about paying to advertise on the forum.

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Let me see if i get this

So lets say I need shocks and I know 1 other guy needs shocks. So i call: www.gotshocks.com and they tell me I can get a better deal if I buy 5 sets instead of 2. So I head to the board and post: GP Shocks. I need 3 more people that need shocks? Lets just also assume that you (Jason) cant get these shocks. Am I in the wrong here??
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I don't care about the group buys. Just some info. A full T1 going Cisco-to-Cisco you can get about 1.7 Mb a second.. The average online user pulls down about 4Kb... You whould be able to fit about 425 uses on a T1. Your current MAX is ~170 Users online at one time. Which means you are over double your capacity at your peak hours. I also don't see much requirement for hardware. I have ~2500 users on my email server hitting it every 15 seconds. This is on a old Dual PPRO 200 system with only 256MB ram..

Another thing. With current IDS software you can have it watch for buffer overflows.. Which makes up well over 50% of security exploits. There are alot of thing you can do to improve security.

BTW I was one of the many people offering to help with securing & setting up the site. I never recieved any replys just like so many other people i talked to..

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Originally posted by zyounker
I don't care about the group buys. Just some info. A full T1 going Cisco-to-Cisco you can get about 1.7 Mb a second.. The average online user pulls down about 4Kb... You whould be able to fit about 425 uses on a T1. Your current MAX is ~170 Users online at one time. Which means you are over double your capacity at your peak hours. I also don't see much requirement for hardware. I have ~2500 users on my email server hitting it every 15 seconds. This is on a old Dual PPRO 200 system with only 256MB ram..

Another thing. With current IDS software you can have it watch for buffer overflows.. Which makes up well over 50% of security exploits. There are alot of thing you can do to improve security.

BTW I was one of the many people offering to help with securing & setting up the site. I never recieved any replys just like so many other people i talked to..

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Thank you, thank you. Boostd 7 take note... this is what I was referring to when you decided to call me an idiot. Perhaps you were referring to yourself? Or were you fabricating when you said you replied to "EVERY" person who offered to host... hmmm...
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Originally posted by zyounker
I don't care about the group buys. Just some info. A full T1 going Cisco-to-Cisco you can get about 1.7 Mb a second.. The average online user pulls down about 4Kb... You whould be able to fit about 425 uses on a T1. Your current MAX is ~170 Users online at one time. Which means you are over double your capacity at your peak hours. I also don't see much requirement for hardware. I have ~2500 users on my email server hitting it every 15 seconds. This is on a old Dual PPRO 200 system with only 256MB ram..

Another thing. With current IDS software you can have it watch for buffer overflows.. Which makes up well over 50% of security exploits. There are alot of thing you can do to improve security.

BTW I was one of the many people offering to help with securing & setting up the site. I never recieved any replys just like so many other people i talked to..
Do your calculations all your want, but I look at the router logs from our co-location provider all the time, and we're peaking that T1 a LOT. Do you notice how much faster the site is today and yesterday? That's because they opened it up to a 2 mb/sec line for us to see the difference.

I never took you up on help securing the site because I learned myself how to do it. I subscribed to the Security Focus mailing list - thanks to the advice of a fellow forum member - and learned a lot. Unfortunately I lost my DSL connection, so I can't do as much as I want. I'm also sceptical of giving anyone the permissions necessary to setup security protocols on the site. No offense, but I would rather have someone I know personally do that.
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Originally posted by rx7style
Thank you, thank you. Boostd 7 take note... this is what I was referring to when you decided to call me an idiot. Perhaps you were referring to yourself? Or were you fabricating when you said you replied to "EVERY" person who offered to host... hmmm...
Hey idiot, he said he offered to help secure the site ... not host it. I think it's time to go inside, I hear your case worker calling - time for your medication.
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Originally posted by BOOSTD 7


Hey idiot, he said he offered to help secure the site ... not host it. I think it's time to go inside, I hear your case worker calling - time for your medication.
Great, our administrators are operating at the same level as the ClubSi ones... Way to represent the community.
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Great, our administrators are operating at the same level as the ClubSi ones... Way to represent the community.
Only towards the ones that deserve it ... smarty-pants
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Originally posted by BOOSTD 7


Hey idiot, he said he offered to help secure the site ... not host it. I think it's time to go inside, I hear your case worker calling - time for your medication.
I didn't say HE offered to host it. M ypoint was that you didn't reply to him, so you probably didn't reply to anyone else that offered to help. But look at the post above, and you'll see your gaining support from your members at an alarming rate! Keep up the good work!
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Originally posted by rx7style


I didn't say HE offered to host it. M ypoint was that you didn't reply to him, so you probably didn't reply to anyone else that offered to help. But look at the post above, and you'll see your gaining support from your members at an alarming rate! Keep up the good work!
rx7style your attitude sucks. If you dont like the way the forum is run, that is fine. Keep it to yourself. WTF is your problem?
You have been here a long time and now you decide to cop an attitude?
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Originally posted by zyounker
I don't care about the group buys. Just some info. A full T1 going Cisco-to-Cisco you can get about 1.7 Mb a second.. The average online user pulls down about 4Kb... You whould be able to fit about 425 uses on a T1. Your current MAX is ~170 Users online at one time. Which means you are over double your capacity at your peak hours. I also don't see much requirement for hardware. I have ~2500 users on my email server hitting it every 15 seconds. This is on a old Dual PPRO 200 system with only 256MB ram..

Another thing. With current IDS software you can have it watch for buffer overflows.. Which makes up well over 50% of security exploits. There are alot of thing you can do to improve security.

BTW I was one of the many people offering to help with securing & setting up the site. I never recieved any replys just like so many other people i talked to..

-Zach
You have to consider that the forum is not the only site on the server. Theres the rx7store and the rx7club that both get millions of hits a month and both contain alot of images to download.
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Re: Let me see if i get this

Originally posted by gr0undz3r0
So lets say I need shocks and I know 1 other guy needs shocks. So i call: www.gotshocks.com and they tell me I can get a better deal if I buy 5 sets instead of 2. So I head to the board and post: GP Shocks. I need 3 more people that need shocks? Lets just also assume that you (Jason) cant get these shocks. Am I in the wrong here??
That is a good example why we need to discuss the rules. Personally with that case I dont care, but just ask before posting it. I think it will be based on a per case basis. Im more worried about GB's going through a vendor that might want to advertise or have reason to advertise on the forum.

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rx7style was one of the ones that caused the whole US vs. Canada thing a while back - he cops an attitude fairly often.
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Take a look back

Look back at my other posts I was pretty pissed about what was going on here. I wanted to say that before I said this.

1) There box isnt so bad as far as security goes. I just scanned it and it seems they have most of the doors closed, although I wasn't here when the hack took place I would have to say I doubt it was the server that got hacked.

2)Webmasters and Net/sys admins need to be very carefull about who helps them with thier stuff. If you (the sys admin) are in charge of something even thought you think someone else might be able to do it better your best bet is to just do it yourself anyway. ON the other hand as a net/sys admin I would at least listen to suggestions about security measures should and could be taken.

3) Lets say there are 50 people on this site right now all posting and reading. The fact they they are generating the content they are reading means thats about the same as 300 people just reading this as if it were a standard website. So forum sites need bigger badder servers than a standard webserver and need about 2 times the bandwidth. The reality is If this server is colocated somewhere (and I think it is) then the colocation place is going to be able to tell them when they need more bandwidth and on the same note will tell them when they have to much as to free up some for other sites they host or colocate.
So unless you have built and or installed at least 15 webservers please dont question people about stuff you dont understand.

I am not trying to be pissy here but I am always in a fight with my boss at work because he knows nothing about webserving and is always trying to cut corners.

Have a nice day...
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Re: Re: Let me see if i get this

Originally posted by Jason


That is a good example why we need to discuss the rules. Personally with that case I dont care, but just ask before posting it. I think it will be based on a per case basis. Im more worried about GB's going through a vendor that might want to advertise or have reason to advertise on the forum.

Jason
And I would have cleared it with you first. So far so good. Now let me put a small twist on it and hopefully we are done with that as far as I am concerned.

two twists

1)Same basic setup as before but you can get the shcoks for 150. and thats the best you can do ( you told me) and the other guy says 120. What are you going to say when i ask to post the GB.

2)Same basic setup as before but you can get the shcoks for 130. and thats the best you can do ( you told me) and the other guy says 120. What are you going to say then about the GB. Also just so you know if you where that close I would say to everyone " Hey lets just get em from Jason cause he helps this forum out"

Thanx


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rx7style your attitude sucks. If you dont like the way the forum is run, that is fine. Keep it to yourself. WTF is your problem?
You have been here a long time and now you decide to cop an attitude?
My problem? Earlier in this thread, I expressed my opinion, BOOSTD7 started an arguement like he always does with me, and then it escalated to this. I did nothing but state my opinion on the situation, and now have my custom user text as "*** pirate", which was "butt monkey" before. I can't change it now, he's disabled my ability to do so. And just a few weeks ago, I found my post count reduced to "7" by another moderator, and I find this quite tiring, and that's when I start to "cop an attitude". When does this foolishness end?
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Originally posted by BOOSTD 7
rx7style was one of the ones that caused the whole US vs. Canada thing a while back - he cops an attitude fairly often.
And I see that's why you've decided to permanently hold a grudge against me. That's nice.
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Jason:
I understand there are other sites being hosted on the server. But the ~170 people being logged in does not mean that they are all concurrently accessing the site. A T1 should be able to service a site that has 425 concurrent users. Which I assure you you are not using.. Now the fact you might want one is different.

Boostd 7:
The calcultions have alot more to do with it than you think.. a 486 with a 10BaseT ethernet card can easily saturate a T1. Of course you see you T1 peak all the time.. Any time someone with decent bandwidth looks at your site it will probably peak.. That doesn't mean anything. I usually browse the RX-7Forum on multiple T1's that are load balanced. I am sure I peak your routers all the time.
I would say the majority of your users are dialup which mean they only pull down 4-5Kps.. Which is nothing.. That is a 56K modem with a decent connect. So the content does not matter.. Pictures, ****, Video... Doesn't matter they can't pull more then their connect will allow them. So with a 2Mb line none of them will see any improvement.. BTW I have not noticed any improvment it the past few days. The majority of the time spent waiting on a page is when the server has to access the DB & render the HTML.. I am assuming you are using a SQL server.. Hopfully PostgreSQL.. Even MySQL is good.. (MySQL is is probably not good enough for this site).

I have no problem with you being scared to trust people.. You should be.. But at the time i offered i believe i said i was going to be in St. Louis on the weekends & could help.. Ie Teach you.. I don't want to do security for you.. And if you do not have someone doing security audits once a week then you will be cracked...






Ok now onto rx7style..

I am not sure if you are trying to cause trouble or what.. I think you have made some valid points. I think you mostly don't like BOOSTD 7.. Of course i am pretty sure he doesn't like you.. Either way, I have no real opinion about the group buy subject..



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BTW I was not trying to come to either side.. I was just pointing out some things that didn't seem right to me..


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I have recently read these posts at RX7FORUM and made the decision to lock the groupbuy section at RX7 CITY. I did not know that Jason closed the Group buy section for misuderstood reasons, I just created it because people wanted it. I feel all the forums need to work together to ensure a solid relationship with all the resources that we all have for our unique cars.
I might add that Jason does give excellent deals and I have purchased alot from him if he is willing to extent those deals to large buys I dont see a reason why he shouldnt be used.


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zyounker - that's cool, next time you're coming to STL, give me a PM. I'd be happy to have you show me a few things if I was there with you. Thanks again for the offer.

And it's not just peaks that the T1 hits. We were pegged at full saturation for 9 straight hours on Tuesday of this week! That's a fact, and can mean only one thing... we need more bandwidth.

rx7style - you believe what you want, get used to those 'custom' titles. :p
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Originally posted by defylogik
ok i just wanted to put in a few coments here.

1. why are people bashing ted? i figured he was the man in the know about rx7s.

2. who gives a flying hoot if rx7 store is advertising on the forum. HAVE you people ever called or looked at the site. you could eaisly look around and find cheaper prices. i have called and jason or whoever answered the phone didnt know diddly about the products he sold. let him advertise because we all know the other sites to find stuff on.
Ummmm... I have yet to see ANY admin or moderator bash Ted. He contributes more to this site than any single user that I can name, and more than most moderators too. Also, price the S-AFC on Jason's site- now try to find it cheaper... Good luck!

3. who cares about group buy. start one on www.groupbuycenter.com. i understande the reason for a group buy and the reasons why they cannot go on.

4. i am pretty sure that the "bandwith" that you are talking about cannot be THAT bad. my dads website gets a million hits a month and he pays 30 dollars a month for unlimited webspace and bandwith. are you people running t-1 lines to your house or what? i DONT think that a forum like this needs its own t-1 line to operate. most ISPs only have 1 or 2 t1/t3 for their entire client base.
Hmmmm... a million hits, for a short period, is a LOT different from 30 million or so, that stay on and read. A forum like this SUCKS - it sucks up bandwidth, that is.

5. why doesnt supraforums have a problem with their hosting or donations or advertising.. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm those supra owners...hehe
Wow, what a "straight line..." I think I will just let this comment about the non-functional Supra forum speak for itself.

one more thing, are the donations going towards better firewalls and service pack updates. this forum seems to get hacked a lot for some reason. id say someone isnt taking proper precautions. i havent ever seen teamfc3s.org get hacked.

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Ummmm... different situation entirely. Sheesh.

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Jason:
I understand there are other sites being hosted on the server. But the ~170 people being logged in does not mean that they are all concurrently accessing the site. A T1 should be able to service a site that has 425 concurrent users. Which I assure you you are not using.. Now the fact you might want one is different.

Boostd 7:
The calcultions have alot more to do with it than you think.. a 486 with a 10BaseT ethernet card can easily saturate a T1. Of course you see you T1 peak all the time.. Any time someone with decent bandwidth looks at your site it will probably peak.. That doesn't mean anything. I usually browse the RX-7Forum on multiple T1's that are load balanced. I am sure I peak your routers all the time.
I would say the majority of your users are dialup which mean they only pull down 4-5Kps.. Which is nothing.. That is a 56K modem with a decent connect. So the content does not matter.. Pictures, ****, Video... Doesn't matter they can't pull more then their connect will allow them. So with a 2Mb line none of them will see any improvement.. BTW I have not noticed any improvment it the past few days. The majority of the time spent waiting on a page is when the server has to access the DB & render the HTML.. I am assuming you are using a SQL server.. Hopfully PostgreSQL.. Even MySQL is good.. (MySQL is is probably not good enough for this site).

I have no problem with you being scared to trust people.. You should be.. But at the time i offered i believe i said i was going to be in St. Louis on the weekends & could help.. Ie Teach you.. I don't want to do security for you.. And if you do not have someone doing security audits once a week then you will be cracked...






Ok now onto rx7style..

I am not sure if you are trying to cause trouble or what.. I think you have made some valid points. I think you mostly don't like BOOSTD 7.. Of course i am pretty sure he doesn't like you.. Either way, I have no real opinion about the group buy subject..



Have fun..

-Zach


BTW I was not trying to come to either side.. I was just pointing out some things that didn't seem right to me..


Everytime we top out the connection it leads to extreme packet loss and the site slows to a crawl.
Since we have opened up the connection we dont get packet loss and the site runs the way it should. I think just about everyone on here can tell the site is running faster. I know I can.

Jason


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