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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 10:18 PM
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88IntegraLS: what is that in your avatar there?

also, don't let the idiots get you down, keep up the good work!
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Old Nov 14, 2003 | 11:49 PM
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whatever works is what i say.. my maf was held in place with zip ties. why spend the time macking a bracket... when it takes 35 seconds to make a zip tie work?...
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 12:35 AM
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He he, thanks. The aircraft in my avatar is a Q2:





It was an 80's era experimental homebuilt airplane made from fiberglass and urethane foam. Two seats side by side, 180 mph true airspeed @ 7500 ft. on a 65 hp engine. It was a very small plane but very cool. I'm not sure how many kits were sold and airplanes actually built from them, but I've seen them in person and they are so cool. The wingspan is 16 feet!
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 12:39 AM
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i believe i saw one of those, or one similar to it, at an oshkosh fly-in one year. was with a group of EZs.
One day theyll figure it out, big wing at the front, little wing at the back

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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 12:51 AM
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Hey man, thats lookin good. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the finished product
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 12:52 AM
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Because anything in an engine bay that is not solidly mounted will shake itself to death over time. Common sense says spending an hour properly mounting your AFM will save you the hassle of a faulty unit in the future.

I'm sure 88IntegraLS's AFM mounting is only temporary, and a proper bracket will be made once the intake's complete.
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 06:14 AM
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Hmmm.... Kinda reminds me of this one time I held my diff in place with an old thong* and some (read: alot) of fencing wire when my diff mount went and I had to get it home...

Anyway getting back to air ramming and crap, I was fitting my new intercooler today... and I figured I may aswell make my new intake now since my new engine/gearbox isnt here yet and i'm in the mood for cutting **** up...

Sooooo what i'm thinking is having the air filter in a box inside where the brake duct WAS, since they're useless at cooling the brakes anyway.
What im wondering about is what the cons of having it setup this way would be? would there be too much of a pressure drop because of the piping after the filter? thinking about using 2in piping due to space constraints with the 'cooler pipping and also because thats the size of the compressor inlet, as you can probably tell I really have no idea with this non intuitive stuff like fluid dynamics

Note: Thong* as in footware, not underpants
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 02:10 PM
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2" is far too small and will cause too much pressure drop. Where is your IC pipe running?

I wouldn't put the filter in a box. The area where the washer bottle is can be turned into a big box fed by the brake duct. Relocate the bottle and open up the top of the brake duct.

This is basically what I'm working on. I'm looking for a replacement washer bottle to fit in the opposite side location. I don't have the complication of IC piping to worry about though.
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 09:02 PM
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NZ Vert,

Not sure if you read my post on the previous page, but this is exactly what I did (relocate washer bottle and use under fender area for a box to house the filter). Works amazing. I can take some pics if you wish.

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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 10:05 PM
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NZ Vert,

Not sure if you read my post on the previous page, but this is exactly what I did (relocate washer bottle and use under fender area for a box to house the filter). Works amazing. I can take some pics if you wish.

Kurt G.
Yes this system works great... i have the same setup and i did feel a good power gain
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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cold air is ALWAYS better
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Old Nov 15, 2003 | 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
2" is far too small and will cause too much pressure drop. Where is your IC pipe running?

I wouldn't put the filter in a box. The area where the washer bottle is can be turned into a big box fed by the brake duct. Relocate the bottle and open up the top of the brake duct.
Hrmm.. the compressor inlet is only 2in though? I will be running the IC pipping up through the skirt where the washer bottle was, hence why I will not have much room for the cold/ram air feed... even though the IC pipping is only 2in it still doesn't leave much room for an air feed anything bigger than 2in...
I might have to go ponder about where else I can put it all..
I'll get some pics to explain better soon I hope.. (and i'll get a shot of my new intercooler for ya'll aswell )
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by Genshie
NZ Vert,

Not sure if you read my post on the previous page, but this is exactly what I did (relocate washer bottle and use under fender area for a box to house the filter). Works amazing. I can take some pics if you wish.
Yep, I read that. Sounds really good. I got the idea from a mate who did this to his FC a few years back, but until now I couldn't be bothered relocating the washer bottle. Too lazy. Any pics would be great.

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Hrmm.. the compressor inlet is only 2in though?
Yeah, but you still want to minimise pressure drop through as much of the system as possible. You can go too big with post-turbo piping (lag) but pre-turbo there's no such thing as too big.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by NZConvertible
Yeah, but you still want to minimise pressure drop through as much of the system as possible. You can go too big with post-turbo piping (lag) but pre-turbo there's no such thing as too big.
Yup I know I need to minumise the pressure drop, so your saying 2in would definatly be way too small hey? hrmmm.... I've been having another look and there may be a way to get some bigish (3in) pipping into the engine bay.

Now your still thinking that a filter element in the box, say in the brake duct area, would be a bad idea hey? (not thinking about the obvious problems such as it getting dirty very quickly)

You think I should have the filter closer to the compressor inlet rather than closer to the cold air flow?
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 03:26 PM
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White_FC, check your PM's
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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bring the pictures back integra!!!!!
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 09:15 AM
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yeah where are the pics.. its ar eally informative read
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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I'm sorry guys. About a month ago I moved out of my house and left behind my garage and web hosting. I am a poor college student living in a studio quad now, and my FC projects are at a standstill. I don't know if I will ever finish this thread or not.

I did eventually install the air box and cover over my air filter, but it has gaps where it meets the lower unibody so it is not sealed as would be expected for a true ram-air setup. It has made an improvement on the car's warm-engine temp power and really shows when I am driving along the highway, so it was useful if just as a cold air intake.

But sorry about the pics.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 10:32 AM
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=( oh well so u will never get them back?
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
I'm sorry guys. About a month ago I moved out of my house and left behind my garage and web hosting. I am a poor college student living in a studio quad now, and my FC projects are at a standstill. I don't know if I will ever finish this thread or not.

I did eventually install the air box and cover over my air filter, but it has gaps where it meets the lower unibody so it is not sealed as would be expected for a true ram-air setup. It has made an improvement on the car's warm-engine temp power and really shows when I am driving along the highway, so it was useful if just as a cold air intake.

But sorry about the pics.
Thats alright man. I wish You had the pics though... We've built a few ram air systems for our bikes. I was gonna build one on my NA but eventually opted for the TII conv. I'da liked to see the pics and offer some insight.
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Old Jan 11, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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I still have all of them on my computer. I should get a CD-R and make back up copies in case my computer explodes.
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