Rotal

Which stuts are teh best for 1987 rx7 turbo (price is not the concern) Kony , KYB or Tokico

RotaryWeaponSE7EN

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Personally I'd buy some TEIN Coilovers. Expensive but worth every penny.

Ryde _Or_Die

I was just thinking that the other day. I mean for shocks/struts/springs you are going to spend like $600+. The TEINs are like $1200 but you are talking about top notch, not just what you pieced together. And you did say price is not a concern

Oh and you can get them here:

http://www.rxecret7.com/dsm00-y2ss1.html

No7Yet

Well, price out a GC coilover + pillow ball strut mounts + KYB AGXes, and you get to about $1100.

Teins are 100% better than anything GC makes, and are only about $200 more. Why would you not get 'em?

Brandon

Bigretardhead

I agree. especially since money is not an issue.

RotaryWeaponSE7EN

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Damn I love it when I'm right.

Wankel7

I have the Konis and like them a lot. They are on my 91 TII. When you install the fronts you have to use the exsiting stock strut housings. I have a write up.

http://pws.gamewood.net/~mb800/struts/struts.html

James

Digi7ech

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I say Koni's cause they were cheap and fun to install.
Nothing like taking your completely worn out struts and chopping the tops off em to put koni's in. Also they are not click style adjust they are just turn ones.

It may sound scary but it was so damn easy I could probably put them in again in under and hour.

breesej

I wouldn't go for Tein anything since they are Jap imports with little to no information available in english, online. they may work reasonably well, but if price is no concern, why are you looking at **** shocks?

Look at Bilstein, Advance Design or even Penskie remote reservoir shocks.

jon88se

wha information could u possibly need for the Teins? instructions? and if i'm not mistaken advance design are made by ground control, but i could be wrong. Get the Tein's, you won't regret it!!

breesej

adjustemnt range....
double or single adjustable?
damping rate...
rebound rate...

Tein's are not the end all say all of suspensions unless you're into rice.

boosted12a

i like the agx struts, good buy for the money

breesej

I second that. Especially since the adjustment is on the rear/or side of the shock body for the rear shocks. This makes it much easier to adjust than the Tokico's. Koni's require cutting the stock strut which is okay, but I like the idea of getting fresh strut housings.

I had the Tokico's on my S5 NA and it was okay, but the AGX's are nicer, especially when you know that they are the GAB shocks at 1/3 the price.

boosted12a

yep, you cant beat $370 for the whole shabang!

Bigretardhead

I also have AGX's. they're pretty nice. but I'd prefer Tein coilovers

but remeber, money is not an issue here

boosted12a

true,but if money wasnt an issue, id have an awd 911 turbo........
but money isnt an issue.....

No7Yet

I think that's one of the most uninformed and obtuse things I've ever read in my life. Do you have any experience with Tein? They sell 90% of aftermarket suspension pieces in Japan - and for a reason. Tein stuff (I've got personal experience with it) is top notch.

As for your spec "requests" - well, just give Tein a call. They've recently opened up a US office, and will provide shock dyno charts upon request. You can't buy double-adjustable shocks for the FC until you get into Penske and very high-end Bilstein stuff. With Teins you can select the spring rates that you want. HAs are a good compromise for the street.

A proper coilover system with camber-adjustable pillow ball strut mounts and short-throw shocks will spank the crap out of anything GC makes, and is in a different league than simple drop-in components.

Brandon

Oh, and btw - it's suspected that the AGXes have the same strut damping and rebound rates as the GABs. KYB refuses to provide them, and the third-party shock dyno charts have long been lost. I agree that AGXes are a great buy, but they're still drop-in, and thus, suboptimal.

goodspeed

I went with KYB. Of course, we can all agree, your not going to beat a coilover setup....

But hey , guess what.....90% dont have a pure bred race car that they only drive at the track. They actually drive it on the street....And, unless your a dumbass, you really can't go bombing around street corners at 100mph all day long.

I say for the average race/daily driven car, the kyb's with some rb springs or eibach will give pretty kick *** performance for a low cost.

IMO: its not worth 1-2k just for suspension that most people will never use the full the full extent of them.

jon88se

hmmmm, install them (teins that is) and adjust them to your liking...not too difficult. if you want to know all the specs thats not hard either, you can drop them a line through their website or PM me if you want me to order them for you and get all the pertinent info you may want. my brothers shop does big sales w/ Tein for all his WRX customers and i'm setting up an RX-7 parts menu on our site in the coming weeks as well as going through all the motions with the admins here for vendor status. Tein is nice stuff, well made, still reasonable $ and they work fantastically. rice my tush

Ryde _Or_Die

I don't know HOW in the world Teins can be called RICE. Thats crazy. If we can call a high quality $1200+ coil over system rice, then something is definitely wrong.

jon88se

AND $1200.00 for fully adjustable coilovers w/ pillowball mounts and the quality of Tein is very reasonable. Add some strut braces front and rear (can't beat cusco for price and quality) and some poly bushings bc stock ones are probably toast by now and for a total parts investment of $1600 or so you have a car that handles with ferocity that is virtualy unmatched on the road. moreover, suspension stuff is easy to install on an FC (bushings you may want someone to do for you, they can be a pain) and coilovers w/ strut braces should consume an afternoon on the weekend. course you'll need quality tires as well, but most of us already have the wheel/tire upgrade. lots of inexpensive nice looking 16s and 17s out there for all FC's and grippy inexpensive tires by sumitomo, kuhmo, and falken (if yer in the market, many sizes of P-zeros are on special @ tirerack for like $110 a piece!!!!!)

Trav

Sounds like the Tein setup is pretty reasonable for a high quality setup... But how much is that going to beat you up on the street? I mean for most street driving, it IS overkill, right?

Seems silly though to invest about $600(+?) on a KYB/Eibach setup when I can double the investment and get a setup that is better than twice as good? Am I making too many assumptions?

Dunno -- I want to still be able to drive my car on the street on a regular basis (more than the track) -- and roads aren't exactly perfect around here...

jon88se

well, whats twice as good...what are you looking for the car to do?? If money isn't so much of an issue and you like playing with your car go the Tein route...you'll never have a problem with them, they ride well and provide lots of adjustment to your driving style and they are beautiful as well as exotic!! I already had the KYB set and liked them but wanted camber plates and ride height adjustability. I got the GC coilover conversion w/ eibachs which works very well, no problems...much better springs than the suspension techs I had and sold. I went to Tein for pillow ball mounts and camber plates, they were inexpensive and work great!! They aent noisy, are easy to adjust and look fantastic, plus they replace your stock (high mileage) upper mounts with some solid stuff w/o changing ride height. I've driven a million WRX's w/ full Tein coilovers...HA's, and the in car electronically-adjustable ones. I've driven w/ KYB struts and their street springs on our legacy (@ the shop) and I have their pillowball mount set in my GVR4 as well. I met the execs from Tein as well, they came down to the shop one day...each year the Japanese execs visit all their US dealers and they were as easy to talk to and BS with as their products are to work with. I can't say enough about these guys and when I turbocharge my current setup goes up for sale and I'm buyin one of their full coilovers for the car. They gave us a doll of their masscot (Dumpachi), can't beat that I also got a buncha banners and stickers for the showroom...they seemed might impressed w/ our Z-project and various customers subarus and my FC (they never saw an NA FC before, they loved my car hahaha).

Jimmy325i

hey, i guess sony is rice too. Then again your whole car is rice come to think of it. Made in japan... bastards had to rice everything out on us!

Money no object get the penski's.

Overkill on the street is an oxymoron. The street is harder on a suspension than the track is. Unless you have ultra ghetto tracks in your area with potholes and **** on them. Maybe its just me? <longing for the clean smooth track asphalt>

Kahren

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www.tein.com for all those who can read in english.
and oh btw, i have tein HA on my FD sprign rate 559F and 448 rear. why get a real coilover? because it comes with a helper spring, you know the shocks will match the spring rates because people who put them together knwo what they are doing, why tein, because a lot of racecars in japan have that suspenshion. and get the pillowball upper mounts because your stock ones are probably realy worn out. i dotn see how they wont be after 12+ years of use?
froma personal note, if you really want the car to handle better you need camber adjustemnet and good alignment suspenshion will just make the car more stable and less predictable. i have had the teins on the fd withteh spring rates mentioned above andsome people might consider it to be too stiff some are ok with it. i am ok with it, any stiffer and i think i wouldnt consider them streetable. also there are 24 settign for the shock absorber rebound and compression beign teh same **** for adjustability, i am on setting 18 from softest, i find this to matchteh spring rates well, if you everwill want stiffer springs you can order them from tein and swap them right in and your shocks will ahndle them. for teh fc i woudlnt get anythign stiffer tehn about 300lb springs which i think is what type flex is for teh FC from tein.

i also have a fc with kyb agx and suspenshion techniques linear rate springs i believe 130 lb stock are 90-96 i dont really remember. they are noticebly stiffer and i have teh front on 3 out of 4 on stiff and rear 6 out of 8 on stiff. any stiffer spring will be too stiff for the shocks in my opinion.

good luck.