K&N really better than a generic cone?
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K&N really better than a generic cone?
I've had a generic cone filter on my car for a while and have had no trouble with it. I was thinking the same about my spark plugs, until I changed them and got a performance (mostly gas mileage) increase . .
I've never tried one of the spendier K&N cone filters. I've read that some of them have an integrated velocity stack type air horn shape to the inner flange where the intake tube mounts to, and that they're worth the 40-50 bucks.
So (and I looked through a few old threads) - has anyone ever used a generic cone filter and then upgraded to a K&N version? Could you feel the difference?
I'm looking into the last few tricks I can play on my NA to make it fast . . .
I've never tried one of the spendier K&N cone filters. I've read that some of them have an integrated velocity stack type air horn shape to the inner flange where the intake tube mounts to, and that they're worth the 40-50 bucks.
So (and I looked through a few old threads) - has anyone ever used a generic cone filter and then upgraded to a K&N version? Could you feel the difference?
I'm looking into the last few tricks I can play on my NA to make it fast . . .
07-11-04, 02:06 AM
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NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
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Originally posted by BigRTII
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
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no oil will get sucked into the engine unless you drown it in oil!!! I have an HKS AFS that uses oil to keep the filter from drying out..it also helps keep dust out....the K&N will pay for itself because you can reuse it again and again...as far as the oil getting into the motor..guess BIGRTII does not realize the motor gets oil injected into the motor via OMP....follow the directions that come with the filter and you will be fine...also, you will not feel or add any HP due to the fact that you already have an atermarket AFS...but the K&N will last longer than your generic cone filter....guaranteed for life I think!?!..good luck
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Originally posted by BigRTII
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
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Re: K&N really better than a generic cone?
Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
I was thinking the same about my spark plugs, until I changed them and got a performance (mostly gas mileage) increase .
I was thinking the same about my spark plugs, until I changed them and got a performance (mostly gas mileage) increase .
thanx
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Re: K&N really better than a generic cone?
Originally posted by 88IntegraLS
I'm looking into the last few tricks I can play on my NA to make it fast . . .
I'm looking into the last few tricks I can play on my NA to make it fast . . .
I tend to agree with other posts here, in that the main advantage of a K&N filter is the low price over time. Also, it's a top-quality filter that is used in professional racing and military applications.
Originally posted by BigRTII
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
NO! the cone is almost better in a way becasue it is not oiled. that is y the oil from the k&n gets pulled into your motor think about it.. its wet basically and it gets pulled into the motor no good in my opinon. and no the filter will not change the performance that much. the colder the air goin in will. hope this helps
2) Even if the oil did get pulled into the engine, rotary engines are designed to burn oil. Think about it.
3) What does cold air have to do with a mesh cone filter vs. paper cone filter?
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The car is running a 14.9 and is 2550 lbs with me in it doing the run, so that's roughly 150rwhp. If I can get a few % more power from it than it will be worthwhile to me, and my paper mesh ebay cone is a piece of junk. I don't want it to be a part of my car any more.
I just purchased a cotton mesh K&N clone off ebay and will report any gtech difference if I can get it installed before doing some more header / main cat surgery.
To the poster asking about my plug choice . . they were NGK in the stock heat range. Cost about $22 and would pay for themselves in ~1500 miles @ 2.20 a gallon for the price of gas, which is what it was when I bought the plugs.
I just purchased a cotton mesh K&N clone off ebay and will report any gtech difference if I can get it installed before doing some more header / main cat surgery.
To the poster asking about my plug choice . . they were NGK in the stock heat range. Cost about $22 and would pay for themselves in ~1500 miles @ 2.20 a gallon for the price of gas, which is what it was when I bought the plugs.
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I think everybody has pretty much covered the advantages of K&Ns alredy. Last week I helped my brother clean his K&N on his 240 and it was a very simple procedure. As for gaining horsepower, what they mean is that it FREES lost horsepower from low flow rates. On the back of the box (I think) K&N did a test against other leading air filters versus their filtering rate and flow rate. I'm sure they have the best flow rate (or else why would they put it on their own box) and other than that you can't beat the 1,000,000 mile warranty. Only filter I'll ever use.
07-11-04, 09:06 PM
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ill stick with HKS foam filters
ill stick with HKS foam filters
07-11-04, 09:12 PM
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Does anybody have any info on the Racing Beat foam filter? I ordered their catalog and by what they say it sounds almost if not as good as K&N. Reusable and all... Anybody use it?
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K&N is said to trap the most dirt out of engine that any other filter.
I've heard bad stuff about foam filters, like they allow more air in (more possible HP), but in return they allow more dirt in.
I use a K&N.
I've heard bad stuff about foam filters, like they allow more air in (more possible HP), but in return they allow more dirt in.
I use a K&N.
07-11-04, 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Davidov
K&N is said to trap the most dirt out of engine that any other filter.
I've heard bad stuff about foam filters, like they allow more air in (more possible HP), but in return they allow more dirt in.
I use a K&N.
K&N is said to trap the most dirt out of engine that any other filter.
I've heard bad stuff about foam filters, like they allow more air in (more possible HP), but in return they allow more dirt in.
I use a K&N.
there is a few that fit, what part number do you use?
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Amsoil filter's filter alot better than a K&N from what I've heard.. I just picked up a HPI one for my car, and it made a noticeable difference vs. the stock airbox.
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http://www.ftooc.org/contents/pages/project/filter.htm
Here you are bashers!! you can say what you want i will say that paper does not filter as well as k&n but the motto is you get what u pay for (in most cases) and cotten does not have the best flow rate it is tested. yea its posed on the package but take a look for your self the hks not as good for filtering but a better flow rate. but the amsoil was the best filter and makes K&N look second rate. amisol is here http://www.performancemotoroil.com/KN_test
Want more sources please inquire!!!
Here you are bashers!! you can say what you want i will say that paper does not filter as well as k&n but the motto is you get what u pay for (in most cases) and cotten does not have the best flow rate it is tested. yea its posed on the package but take a look for your self the hks not as good for filtering but a better flow rate. but the amsoil was the best filter and makes K&N look second rate. amisol is here http://www.performancemotoroil.com/KN_test
Want more sources please inquire!!!
07-12-04, 11:43 AM
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just to clear this up a little...
the reason some people say the K&N leaks oil into the engine is b/c of the reuseability. alot of people over oil the filter when they clean/recharge it. this usually results in sensors glazed over with oil; i've heard MAF and front O2 sensors in particular.
K&N is fine... many people have run it for long periods of time without any problems. i've heard napa and apexi make better filters, but who the hell can tell without a TRUE independent 3rd party comparison - i.e. not from a website that is obviously biased (and lauding the filter that they are selling...)
if you're worried about performance upgrades worry more about the intake piping length and shape instead of just the filter.
if you do get a K&N don't be a fucktard and spray the whole bottle of recharge oil into the filter. someone probably did this, posted on a forum that the filter ruined his sensor, and here we are today.
the reason some people say the K&N leaks oil into the engine is b/c of the reuseability. alot of people over oil the filter when they clean/recharge it. this usually results in sensors glazed over with oil; i've heard MAF and front O2 sensors in particular.
K&N is fine... many people have run it for long periods of time without any problems. i've heard napa and apexi make better filters, but who the hell can tell without a TRUE independent 3rd party comparison - i.e. not from a website that is obviously biased (and lauding the filter that they are selling...)
if you're worried about performance upgrades worry more about the intake piping length and shape instead of just the filter.
if you do get a K&N don't be a fucktard and spray the whole bottle of recharge oil into the filter. someone probably did this, posted on a forum that the filter ruined his sensor, and here we are today.
