I raced my stock 89 GTU against a 98 Honda Prelude tonight with I/H/E. And guess what?

I got my **** kicked so bad......

But I'll get him back. Dont' worry guys. I'll keep you guys posted.

Jay Kim

 

That almost was to be expected. Unless you are modified with a ported motor, I would expect you to have some difficulty. My car has kept up (barely that is) with a VTECH Prelude with an intake and a catback. My car is putting 151hp to the ground and 122lbs ft of torque. From 60 to 130+ it was neck and neck.

I compared my dyno chart to the one published in SCC and they looked similar, but the Prelude definatly had more top end power and a little more torque.

Just my opinion.

Carl

 

I raced a 94 VTEC Prelude(faster than the newest body style), and barely pulled on him. Preludes are not to be taken lightly.

 

They're pushing ~200HP if I remember correctly. You'd need a TII to win.

 

Not to be bashing you or anything, but I have seen your dyno chart, I have about 30 more HP and 15 or so more lbs of torque. Unless the guy didn't know how to drive, or was bone stock, I think I am going to have to doubt this.

Carl

 

Need a TII?!?!?! NO!!! Like I said, I beat a modded one, and I dont have a TII. You do need A LOT of mods on a n/a to beat a Prelude, though.

 

My ignition was breaking up above 6K, which is where my car really gets moving. It only did it the weekend of the dyno, I was complaining how my car wasnt feeling right all weekend. His car was not bone stock, it had I/H/E, and I know the guy, and he can drive good.

 

Hmm, I know the ignition was breaking up, but I really am having a hard time with this, esp if you said the Prelude was modified. You need to come to the dyno on the 23rd and prove me wrong.

Carl

 

Im not going to be able to make that one. I will be getting my car on a dyno again soon, but I think Ill be heading to Jacksonville to dyno next time though, its much closer to me. In a couple of weeks Ill be getting on the dyno again. Im redoing my exhaust before I dyno again, too. I am not happy with the true dual setup I have, and am going to a tuned single setup, fully custom, including the headers.

 

Why arnt u happy with the true duall. Doesent it give the most top end and torque like I think i remember u saying.

 

I was on the HondaPrelude.com Forum when I had my 87 Si. I asked the gurus there what would win stock for stock. 5th gen Prelude or 2nd Gen Rx7 Turbo II. They all replied with out a doubt the Turbo II.
Those ludes are heavy too. Almost 3400 pds for the 5th Gen?
My 87 Si weighs the same as my 2nd Gen Turbo II and they gained in weight ever since.
I know with the right mods, an N/A (*cough* FORCE INDUCTION*)could beat a 5th Gen Lude and easily run 12's .
Good Luck!

 

A tuned single system will make more hp, and I can tune my powerband to be exactly where I want it. You dont have those options with true dual. Its also much easier on the wallet when the mufflers you are getting are over $200 each for the muffler itself. Do a search on exhaust, youll find all the answer there, theres lots of long discussions about exhaust tuning in some of them.

 

oh no

 

I raced my friend's 98 vtec prelude with an auto tranny, and no mods. I pulled 3 cars on him at 120, and all ive done is an intake, and removed precats.

To say the least i was suprised.

 

I would hope if he had an automatic that you would pull that much on him

Carl

 

I have gutted cats, I can only pull even with an automatic 98 Prelude

 

I gots me one o them fancy TII's and guess what? I smoked his *** off line and up to about 70, then we lined up rolling at about 40 and downshifted, Holy **** was that a shock, he ran with me up to about 110 THEN started puling away! At about 115 he was half a car length in front of me when we ran into traffic and stopped. Later I found out he had about $20,000 into the car , but no lsd thats why i took him off the line. Preludes with fully built Mugen Engines are no joke. But I am reminded of a quote off of suprastore.com by "fast" hondas. "Sure you can make a fiero fast, but at the end of the day you still have to drive home in a fiero and not a supra!" And that is exactly how I feel about Preludes

 

Hahaha, I see that I've stirred up yet another debate for VTEC vs Rotary. It's always nice to hear other's opinions.

Well, this Prelude is putting about 175Hp to the wheels with his mods since the stock Prelude puts out about 164~167HP. That's not too shabby. Only about 15% drivetrain loss. Where as my N/A rex is probably putting out close to, taking in 20% drivetrain loss and old age, about 124~128HP and they weigh the same.

I seriously doubt that you could beat a 94 VTEC Prelude. I have no doubt in my mind that the driver is Prelude either sucks or he wasn't racing you. Only weigh for you to have beat with your numbers is if you put your car through a diet program, i.e A/C, P/S removal, etc.

As far as the Turbo 2 goes, It's boring. I beat him with my turbo 2, when I had it, so bad. And this was with him having turbo as well. Yes, Turbocharged Prelude VS Turbo II. I pulled on him like no other. I would really like to build a N/A car that could hang with GS-R and break into 14s. I believe in 13B, do you?

Jay Kim

 

KIM307,
I am in the area. Show me this Lude and so I can wack him around...13B(T) baby.

Jay

 

What numbers are yout alking about? That dyno graph where my ignition was breaking up horribly after 6K? We've been through t LONG discusion about this. Why did my car not make the numbers it should have? Beacuse I wasnt making power past 6K on the dyno. My car pulls hard to the rev limiter at 8800. I dont care if you beleive me or not, but dont go citing proof that you have no clue about. When was the last time that you actually looked at what mods I have? The link in my sig is there for a reason.

You dont know me, you dont know my car, so you have NO right to say what I can and cant beat.

 

im sorry but the GS-R's arnt all they are said to be,witha mildly modded 13b i can still take them down prtty good

 

Again, I have to disagree. If the crane box was the problem, then it would have been messing up all along, and not just only on the dyno.

Also, weren't you stating a while ago that you could run with a TII??

 

The crane box wasnt the problem. I have it back on my car, and its running better than ever. I have a somewhat long explanation of what i think it was at the end of my dyno thread if you really want to dig it up.

I have not had a chance to run against a TII yet, but I think I could beat an S4 with intake and full exhaust(depending on the boost level). Im not going to make any claims about my car until I have something to back it up.

Do you have 550 cc injectors on your car? That was part of my problem, at least. I have the stock fuel system back on now, and it is running much better than it was.

 

LOL!!! a JSpec GS-R is putting ~175hp to the ground. It would tear apart even a TII. That is so funny when my step brothers LIGHTLY modded '90 or '91 CRX DX can hang with and beat TIIs... and you think a GS-R can't. They are EVERYTHING they are said to be. If you even up the power adders and add a turbo to the GS-R and you have a very fast car. Even in the Integra it will haul.

 

Ya well i say its all about who's in what cars... some people can drive their REX's better than other's just like some people know there preludes better than others.. it all depends who races who..