Interesting vibration at speed...mounts? driveshaft? tires?
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Interesting vibration at speed...mounts? driveshaft? tires?
I thought it was my rear wheel bearings. Changed em, and the car is now muchhh smoother, much quieter on the highway. The vibration that almost rattled the teeth out of my head is better, but it's still there.
It doesn't do it at low speed, only about 55+. It's hardly noticeable if I'm coasting, but if I put it on the floor in 5th, it gets a lot worse.
Here's some other things that might help:
The two rear tires are pretty bald. The one is just above replacement, the other is right at the wear bars. I know these can cause vibration if they're worn enough, but I would think it would be speed, not pedal specific.
The transmission isn't so good. With the clutch out in neutral, you can hear it spinning, my guess is an input/output shaft bearing or something of the sort. It also likes to grind on 1-2 shifts when it's hot.
You know how you push in the clutch and all the clearances kinda clunk between the trans and driveshaft, rear end, whatever...or if you tap the gas in gear, everything kinda clunks a little? Well, that's gotten worse, it does it more often...when I take off in 1st normally, I can hear a clunk from the middle/backend somewhere. I also noticed that if I'm in 3rd gear, coasting, with my hand on the shifter, the shifter moves farther forward a bit under throttle.
So, what should I start looking at? Replace the transmission? Replace the driveshaft? Replace the tires? Trans mounts? Thanks.
It doesn't do it at low speed, only about 55+. It's hardly noticeable if I'm coasting, but if I put it on the floor in 5th, it gets a lot worse.
Here's some other things that might help:
The two rear tires are pretty bald. The one is just above replacement, the other is right at the wear bars. I know these can cause vibration if they're worn enough, but I would think it would be speed, not pedal specific.
The transmission isn't so good. With the clutch out in neutral, you can hear it spinning, my guess is an input/output shaft bearing or something of the sort. It also likes to grind on 1-2 shifts when it's hot.
You know how you push in the clutch and all the clearances kinda clunk between the trans and driveshaft, rear end, whatever...or if you tap the gas in gear, everything kinda clunks a little? Well, that's gotten worse, it does it more often...when I take off in 1st normally, I can hear a clunk from the middle/backend somewhere. I also noticed that if I'm in 3rd gear, coasting, with my hand on the shifter, the shifter moves farther forward a bit under throttle.
So, what should I start looking at? Replace the transmission? Replace the driveshaft? Replace the tires? Trans mounts? Thanks.
Up on jackstands.
drain & refill the tranny with synthetic gear oil.
Inspect the u-joints for rusty deposits where greasy deposits would normally be.
Push the driveshaft up & down to check for slack.
Rig a lever to pry up & down on the differential pinion flange to check the front diff mount.
drain & refill the tranny with synthetic gear oil.
Inspect the u-joints for rusty deposits where greasy deposits would normally be.
Push the driveshaft up & down to check for slack.
Rig a lever to pry up & down on the differential pinion flange to check the front diff mount.
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Originally Posted by mxd via PM
check tranny, drain the fuild and look for excess metal or black fluid/green fluid... green is metal, black is heat, if you have normal gear fluid color with minute micro metal shavings its normal wear, if you have black stuff or large metal chunks its on its way out, and if its green with metal chunks, its already toast and you are lucky you have motion..
from my experience if your tranny is goin, you can salvage any miles left by keeping it out of stress (under torque or horses or high rpms) until you get a replacement..
if it was a main input bearing you will get bad bearing noise in neutral, if its output it will cause vibrations/harsh bearing noise underload .. if its only gear specific it might b internal gearbox, if its a go between gear all gears will have problems except 4th.
also in my experience, after changing the fluid in a bad tranny it acclerates its demise
i have not yet had a bad 5sp or 4sp take fresh lube and survive much longer,, metal shavings in tranny work like sawdust in crankcase LOL
i am not a certified mechanic, here is to grains of salt . .
good luck to you
from my experience if your tranny is goin, you can salvage any miles left by keeping it out of stress (under torque or horses or high rpms) until you get a replacement..
if it was a main input bearing you will get bad bearing noise in neutral, if its output it will cause vibrations/harsh bearing noise underload .. if its only gear specific it might b internal gearbox, if its a go between gear all gears will have problems except 4th.
also in my experience, after changing the fluid in a bad tranny it acclerates its demise
i have not yet had a bad 5sp or 4sp take fresh lube and survive much longer,, metal shavings in tranny work like sawdust in crankcase LOLi am not a certified mechanic, here is to grains of salt . .
good luck to you
I actually drained the fluid about 3 weeks ago and replaced with NEO synthetic to try and stop the 1-2 grind. I know there weren't any significant chunks in the fluid...I think it was black, and I know it smelled absolutely horrid...burnt, almost.
I do get a noise in neutral, so input bearing for sure.
Now, to clarify the vibration problem...if I'm on the highway, doing 60, it's smooth as silk....it's only under load...which might be output shaft bearing? it seems to get worse with more throttle.
There is also a bit of clanking and clunking from the back end when putting load on and off that wasn't there before...
So, it is NOT the tires. It's maybe a mount? or the transmission? Probably not the driveshaft.
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Originally Posted by mxd via PM
ok, if u changed ur fluid and it was black and stinky that is normal too, but way over due. in neutral it should sound like skateboard wheels on smooth pavement, if you hear gravel and smooth pavement then it might be your input shaft bearing.. that noise is consistant and goes rhythmic and with rpm, this is with your ear to the shifter. volume of the rolling bearing sound is relative to wear, basically if it isnt a rolling click in neutral its most likely not main input shaft. Out put shaft OR differential input bearing on the rear end have the same symptoms in noise and vibration underload
with high speed vibration if you have totally elminated tires and the propeller shaft (take it in they can test its balance at any well stocked machine shop), then it has to b rear diff or tranny gearbox.. it might just be the propeller shaft.. and nothing to do with the rest of the expensive stuff! that is were i start to spend money first (driveshaft)..
im not a mechanic, but i break a lot of stuff, and make autopart store managers wealthy and annoyed.
cheapest to most expensive:
tires
propeller shaft (can b expensive if u go carbon)
rear diff
transmission
Thanks again for the help so far, I really hope we can get this figured out.
The noise in neutral is pretty loud, so I'm going to assume the input shaft bearing is on it's way out.
Just drove it home from work and it seems to be getting worse, it clunked every time I let off the gas for a short period of time, no matter how light. I'm officially scared...maybe I'll see if I can get it up on a lift somewhere on my lunch break.
If not, how do I check all this stuff? I don't know a whole lot about RWD.
Put the car up on stands as high as I can get it...grab the driveshaft and try to move it back and forth, up and down....make sure the differential mounts are okay (I jack the car up from there and the diff doesn't move a whole lot so I would assume they're fine.
I also have a friend with an 86 GXL (I think) transmission. It is in unknown shape with unknown mileage. Assuming I can get it for $50 or so, I plan on ripping it apart and putting new bearings in...how hard is it to replace the synchro's, too?
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If the pilot bearing is out, I think you're referring it to the "input shaft bearing," then you will here a lot of noise mainly when you push in the clutch and the input shaft is spinning freely with the weight of the clutch on it. But even with it going out it will not give you vibration when at highspeeds. I know because I've had em go out on me like 3 times, I've had some bad luck, but then again I beat on the car on the track a lot. Now my best idea would be the u-joints, just wiggle the driveshaft up/down and side to side while trying to keep one side of the u-joint still. You can just jack up the car and do this. It also could be something with your differential. Check around and let us know what you see.
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If the pilot bearing is out, I think you're referring it to the "input shaft bearing," then you will here a lot of noise mainly when you push in the clutch and the input shaft is spinning freely with the weight of the clutch on it. But even with it going out it will not give you vibration when at highspeeds. I know because I've had em go out on me like 3 times, I've had some bad luck, but then again I beat on the car on the track a lot. Now my best idea would be the u-joints, just wiggle the driveshaft up/down and side to side while trying to keep one side of the u-joint still. You can just jack up the car and do this. It also could be something with your differential. Check around and let us know what you see.
I'm referring to the input shaft bearing as being the bearing around the input shaft on the inside of the transmission.
Going to baby the car home tonight and see what I can see.
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I'll respond to your PM as well, but when I was parting the car out, I found that the rear U joint was completely broken in one place...that was definitely the source of the problem.
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