2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Installed FMIC..now notice changes

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 02:10 PM
  #1  
TrboRty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cell Broadband Engine
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: USA
Installed FMIC..now notice changes

I just got done installing a greddy fmic on my car which is a 88 T2. I have a turbo xs mbc,and a s5 turbo with a ported wastegate. Now I did not adjust my mbc after installing my front mount and I am now seeing boost levels as high as 14-15psi on my boost gauge,where as before the front mount, I was only seeing boost as high as 9psi. So my first question is what is causing this sudden increase in boost pressure? Secondly I have a dynotune EGT installed in my DP right next to my O2 bung,and again before the fmic I was seeing egts only up to 720c,and now with the fmic my egts are climbing to 820. Now I do have a upgraded walbro fuel pump that is rewired,720cc secondaries,and a safc. I tried richening my mixture with safc to lower my egts, but when I get above 15% on my safc, my car starts to misfire bad if I am at wot,so I have to back down my safc settings to like 11% and it doesn't misfire anymore but then my egts start to climb. Any Ideas as to what maybe causing all this? Any help is appreciated, thanks guys!!
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 02:37 PM
  #2  
Scott 89t2's Avatar
SOLD THE RX-7!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,451
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
with only 720's and S-afc I think 15psi is way too much for starters. don't floor it till you figure out how to lowre it.

I would check your boost controller. did you just install it now? or was it in before when you were runing 9psi? turn it down and see if it does anything. if you just put it in. maybe it's cranking the wrong way.

turn your CAS (timming) back a few degrees. you should do this if you are running more then 10-12psi with an FCD.



once you get your boost levels down. please find a wide band o2 sensor and a tuner to tune your A-afc for you before you blow your engine up.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 02:51 PM
  #3  
TrboRty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cell Broadband Engine
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: USA
No the boost controller was installed before the front mount and I was running it before and it was keeping my boost to 9psi. I did not adjust it after I got the FMIC, the boost controller is in the exact same spot as it was before the front mount. And that spot was screwed all the way down on the controller so I can't lower it anymore. I am going to be taking the car to chris sanders(BlueT2) to have it wideband, but until I can I just want to make sure I'm running at safe levels. I don't understand why my boost has increased so much.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 03:21 PM
  #4  
Scott 89t2's Avatar
SOLD THE RX-7!
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 7,451
Likes: 0
From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
yikes screwed all the way in ??

maybe it's right for that one. but most MBC should be all the way out for lower boost.

hook a hose right from the wastegate to turbo to bypass the MBC and see what happens.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 03:29 PM
  #5  
rotary>piston's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 873
Likes: 1
From: Boulder, CO
if it's a ball/spring boost controller then it should be all the way out. If it's screwed all the way in you're getting the maximum possible boost with that controller.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 05:15 PM
  #6  
TrboRty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cell Broadband Engine
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: USA
it's just the turbo XS boost controller that has the little allen head that screws in or out
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 05:23 PM
  #7  
13bpower's Avatar
s4 for life
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,516
Likes: 1
From: Oahu
Yeah, the "ball and spring" type screws out to lower boost and in to increase boost. You need to find out what kind yours is.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 05:47 PM
  #8  
TrboRty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cell Broadband Engine
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: USA
well according to turbo xs homepage I do screw it in to lower the boost, the mbc even has a sticker on the side of it telling you which way to turn the screw to increase or decrease boost
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 06:39 PM
  #9  
JasonL's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 555
Likes: 0
From: BC, Canada
Well how about bypassing the mbc like Scott recommended.
Reply
Old Aug 24, 2003 | 08:26 PM
  #10  
Ryde _Or_Die's Avatar
...
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,539
Likes: 0
From: Tampa, FL
Well Dale always told me boost response is better with a good FMIC than the stock i/c. Maybe its just that much better of a design?

But Scott, theres no way hes running lean on a stock turbo. With 720s and an upgraded pump he has to be running rich. I run 720s with my upgraded turbo and run pig rich up to 14.5-15psi. I'll be able to get A/F #s soon to prove it though.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 07:50 AM
  #11  
NZConvertible's Avatar
I'm a boost creep...
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 15,608
Likes: 8
From: Auckland, New Zealand
Re: Installed FMIC..now notice changes

Originally posted by TrboRty
I have a dynotune EGT installed in my DP right next to my O2 bung,and again before the fmic I was seeing egts only up to 720c,and now with the fmic my egts are climbing to 820. Now I do have a upgraded walbro fuel pump that is rewired,720cc secondaries,and a safc. I tried richening my mixture with safc to lower my egts, but when I get above 15% on my safc, my car starts to misfire bad if I am at wot,so I have to back down my safc settings to like 11% and it doesn't misfire anymore but then my egts start to climb.
The EGT's are higher because of the extra boost. EGT's also a very hit-and-miss way to tune, especially for someone with (I'm guessing) very little tuning experience. Stop messing with it and get onto a dyno. Have it tuned by a professional with a wide-band A/F meter.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 08:59 AM
  #12  
BlackFC's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 311
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, FL
It must be all that added pressure drop and lag with the FMIC huh?

Daniel

Last edited by BlackFC; Aug 25, 2003 at 09:02 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 12:26 PM
  #13  
Wankel7's Avatar
Haven't we ALL heard this
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,948
Likes: 1
From: Indiana
Since you bought the Greddy FMIC sounds like you have a little coin. Why not build your own wideband and sell your EGT on ebay for a little money?

www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 12:39 PM
  #14  
YearsOfDecay's Avatar
Locust of the apocalypse
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,553
Likes: 2
From: Directly above the center of the earth (York, PA)
Watch those Tech Edge Widebands... you should calibrate it after you build it by checking its reported number against the number gained from a more expensive (professional) unit.. they've been known to be off by a complete point of A/F ratio when compared to the wide band on the dyno...

Also.. Your Boost is increasing because the FMIC is MUCH less restrictive than the stock TII intercooler, the EGT temps are going up because you are putting a denser air charge to the rotors and, thus burning more fuel.

I would suggest switching to a manifold with an external wastegate as well, even ported, the stock wastegate isn't going to handle that much airflow....
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 02:31 PM
  #15  
eViLRotor's Avatar
Brother of the Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,781
Likes: 2
From: Arkham Asylum
Originally posted by BlackFC
It must be all that added pressure drop and lag with the FMIC huh?

Daniel
Haha...maybe we should link this for the brainiacs on the other thread...
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 05:18 PM
  #16  
TrboRty's Avatar
Thread Starter
Cell Broadband Engine
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: USA
Well I made an appointment to have it wideband by chris sanders in monroe michigan
Reply
Old Aug 25, 2003 | 05:46 PM
  #17  
bl|nk's Avatar
Fok mi
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 892
Likes: 0
From: Sioux Falls, SD
Originally posted by YearsOfDecay
Watch those Tech Edge Widebands... you should calibrate it after you build it by checking its reported number against the number gained from a more expensive (professional) unit.. they've been known to be off by a complete point of A/F ratio when compared to the wide band on the dyno...

I guess i'll find that out soon enough I'm just waiting for my o2 sensor to arrive and then i'll throw it on the dyno and just do a couple of pulls to see if they are the same or what not. I heard that the TE were at most +/- .1. hopefully they are cause I can live with that.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
immanuel__7
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
89
Sep 5, 2015 10:23 AM
LMBTG
New Member RX-7 Technical
7
Aug 15, 2015 01:43 PM
gabescanlon
Interior / Exterior / Audio
1
Aug 11, 2015 05:59 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:40 AM.