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I'm in powerband at 8krpm... is this bad? (video)

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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 11:56 AM
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Cool.. know of any other specific cars that use them? I can't find anything on ebay, so I think i'm going to have to call around to junk yards... There aren't a lot of vettes up here in Central PA boneyards

Edit: I guess it's relevant to ask where people get their RPM switches, too? I'm looking at one on Ebay I'm thinking about jumping on, but any good source to get new ones?
Airpumps:
Any automotive store that sells Air Horns. Cost? About $19-20 bucks.

RPM Switches:
Summit Racing.com $50 bucks
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 03:37 PM
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I'm usuing a cheapo thing from ebay. I exploded the magnets/wire loom in the first one I bought after only 4 months of use. I'm assuming the heat from the exhaust manny did it. I had the old one mounted in the same place SureShot has his now. I have since reinstalled the replacement infront of the radiator.

The only difference between mine and SureShots system other than the pump placement, is he runs the air through the stock aux prot solenoid. My air goes to a distro block that has a bleed. Two of the outputs on the distro go straight to the aux ports, the third goes to the stock VDI solenoid, and the fourth is the air bleed/release. The pump is however activated/powered via a relay from the ground lead on the aux port solenoid. I still use the solenoid for 12v- switching, but not for pnuematic switching.

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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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cool, thanks for the direction, you guys! I'm looking around, and will be rigging something up within a paycheck or two

Cheers!
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wozzoom
this thread is misleading... I've never seen an 6-port NA make power above 8000 RPM. Even the Renesis starts to drop off around 8000. Unless you have a Bridgeport, there is no way you can get enough air to make power that high. Put your car on the dyno and you'll see it fall off after you pass 7500 RPM.

Please keep your "Butt Dyno" results to yourself.

check out rarestrx's dyno graphs (i dont know if they are still hosted, maybe pm him)

his stock block s5 didnt start to dive off (although it did taper past 7.5k) until about 8400. this proves a modded (thoguh still not ported) n/a can make power PAST 8000.

stock 6-port motors still have very aggressive timing profiles in terms of intake duration and overlap, even when compared to boingers with similar powerbands.
its not the port timing so much that holds a stock motor back as it is the NET restriction of all the intake and exhaust crap. free enough of this stuff like rarestrx and kenteth (and i, hehe) have done and the motor can and will make good, usable power that high.

now the prudence of reving the engine this high is another matter, but the power is there with the proper mods..
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 04:34 PM
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I will admit that the powerband drops shortly after 8250-8500is when the VDI opens. When it doesnt' open, theres little, if any power above 7500. I'm not saying I'm rolling masive HP at 10k, I'm not that niave. I'm just saying power is still there at 8000 and a bit beyond.
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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just because a dyno graph is starting to slope off doesnt mean that the car (is not making power)

so it peaks at 160 hp at 7.5K, but is still making 140@8000+, how can you say that isnt making power?
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew lohaus
just because a dyno graph is starting to slope off doesnt mean that the car (is not making power)

so it peaks at 160 hp at 7.5K, but is still making 140@8000+, how can you say that isnt making power?
Well... considering you could shift at 7.75 and end up somewhere back around 6 when its pulling hard again...

I'm not saying all my power is above 7.5, cause I know its not.
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenteth
Try to ignore the oil bottle, its a makeshift catchcan so i don't cover the entire engine bay in blowby. And don't give me **** about the wiring clusterfack, I know its horrible. I have a couple fuse blocks i bought to install, i just haven't had the time to throw them in.
Hey, shouldn't the wire connected to the AFM be sticking out of the side instead of the top? Or did I put mine on wrong when I put my cone filter on? heh.
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 06:28 PM
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There is a certain balance to them. Its since been reinstalled so that the wire goes toward the lowe passenger fender.
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Old Aug 27, 2004 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenteth
Well... considering you could shift at 7.75 and end up somewhere back around 6 when its pulling hard again...

I'm not saying all my power is above 7.5, cause I know its not.

im in aagreement with you. i posted that as an addition to me previuos post, but yours got inbetween.


if nothing else the trany cant handle it. i shifted maybe a total of a dozen times from 1-2 at like 8300, trying to land above 5300 and keep the vdi on, and my 2nd gear synchro is screwed now.

the power is ther for the sake of "over-rev" so you can for instance, stay in a gear just a little bit longer and then decelerate-while still in that gear- while apraoching a turn, instead of shifting up, then single, or even double down shifting a few seconds later as you accel out of the turn.
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Old Aug 30, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SureShot
With my previous S5, I used the stock ECU signals with an electric air pump.

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