I just wanted to say wow to premix!
06-04-05, 11:40 PM
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i'm not to convinced about the need for "high quality" 2-stroke oil. on several occasions ive had to use lawn-mower (non tcw3) premix. and the car ran just fine, if not a little better.
oh iand i think ill be the 1000th person to counter iceblue and say that mixing a 16 galon jug of gas before pooring it into your car is complete overkill and BS. have you never mixed up a can for a weed-eater man?
oh iand i think ill be the 1000th person to counter iceblue and say that mixing a 16 galon jug of gas before pooring it into your car is complete overkill and BS. have you never mixed up a can for a weed-eater man?
06-04-05, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew lohaus
i'm not to convinced about the need for "high quality" 2-stroke oil. on several occasions ive had to use lawn-mower (non tcw3) premix. and the car ran just fine, if not a little better.
oh iand i think ill be the 1000th person to counter iceblue and say that mixing a 16 galon jug of gas before pooring it into your car is complete overkill and BS. have you never mixed up a can for a weed-eater man?
oh iand i think ill be the 1000th person to counter iceblue and say that mixing a 16 galon jug of gas before pooring it into your car is complete overkill and BS. have you never mixed up a can for a weed-eater man?
06-04-05, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Runing it regulary or strting one up from cold seasing does help the motor but does nuthing for your premix. The reson you dont let premix sit is b/c the oil causes the fule to go bad much!! faster then normal. So yes your right dont premix if you plan to let your car sit on ocashions not good at all.
again, ill counter with expereince instead of speculation and posing. on 3 different occasions within the past year or so, my car sat for about 2 months without being ran at all. started on the first crank EACH TIME. i have had no problems with the premix coagulating or whatever you are trying to get at.
premixing is fine for a car that will be parked for extended periods.
06-04-05, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by andrew lohaus
again, ill counter with expereince instead of speculation and posing. on 3 different occasions within the past year or so, my car sat for about 2 months without being ran at all. started on the first crank EACH TIME. i have had no problems with the premix coagulating or whatever you are trying to get at.
premixing is fine for a car that will be parked for extended periods.
premixing is fine for a car that will be parked for extended periods.
06-04-05, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Absolutly not. If you do it right. Your oil will NEVER mix properly in the tank like that EVER what will actualy happen is the oil will seperate from the fule causing you to run lean. Just do it right. If your going to premix it is sugest for track cars and you mix in bottles just how its done. One thing to consider are these ar not 2stroke engins and the lube ratio is not as critical meaing you wont be as close to as easly to smoke a motor.
Digi7ech - The ratio with no OMP is 100:1 that is one ounce per gallon see 1ounce 100 and 1 one gallon. You are mixing 120:1 or 1.2oz per gallon. To much with MOP. But just causing your car to run rich. Best way to tune or only way to tune is to use a hydro meter or a wide band. This is b/c the stock MOP system can cause you to run rich and lean and inconsistant not desirerable for a race or track car but serves ideal eas of use for a street car.
Digi7ech - The ratio with no OMP is 100:1 that is one ounce per gallon see 1ounce 100 and 1 one gallon. You are mixing 120:1 or 1.2oz per gallon. To much with MOP. But just causing your car to run rich. Best way to tune or only way to tune is to use a hydro meter or a wide band. This is b/c the stock MOP system can cause you to run rich and lean and inconsistant not desirerable for a race or track car but serves ideal eas of use for a street car.
Edit: damn typo's, lol.
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06-05-05, 12:49 AM
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Well before mods completely nuke this thread for getting a "bit" (i use the term loosly) off topic, I think it is fair to say that iceblue was correct in saying that these are our cars and we should and shall do as we please. No 2 setups are the same anymore. My car is 15 years old and had a rebuild about 60k ago. i have 160k miles and all these things vary from car to car. Turbo, N/A, S4, S5, Ported, Non, 3 rotor, 160k miles, 30k, the list is endless and im sure that the specific tweaks and tricks to get them to run nice varies just as much as our cars themselves these days.
I guess I'm wondering, after all of this, being that there is very little info (NFO???) on this, since I still use my OMP (MOP), what ratio should I use for a 60k rebuild 1990 gxl? 1oz per gal? .5oz per gal? How much is too much?
I guess I'm wondering, after all of this, being that there is very little info (NFO???) on this, since I still use my OMP (MOP), what ratio should I use for a 60k rebuild 1990 gxl? 1oz per gal? .5oz per gal? How much is too much?
06-05-05, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 1990RXHeaven
Well before mods completely nuke this thread for getting a "bit" (i use the term loosly) off topic, I think it is fair to say that iceblue was correct in saying that these are our cars and we should and shall do as we please. No 2 setups are the same anymore. My car is 15 years old and had a rebuild about 60k ago. i have 160k miles and all these things vary from car to car. Turbo, N/A, S4, S5, Ported, Non, 3 rotor, 160k miles, 30k, the list is endless and im sure that the specific tweaks and tricks to get them to run nice varies just as much as our cars themselves these days.
I guess I'm wondering, after all of this, being that there is very little info (NFO???) on this, since I still use my OMP (MOP), what ratio should I use for a 60k rebuild 1990 gxl? 1oz per gal? .5oz per gal? How much is too much?
I guess I'm wondering, after all of this, being that there is very little info (NFO???) on this, since I still use my OMP (MOP), what ratio should I use for a 60k rebuild 1990 gxl? 1oz per gal? .5oz per gal? How much is too much?
06-05-05, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
You just dont get it. What ever man do as you please if you cant follow advise or so on then no one can help you. There is no speculation my exsperiance on this matter is over 18yrs so please actualy know what your saying befor countering it.
Your profile puts your age at or around 22 years old, so if you have 18 years of experience, you would have been maintaining rotaries since about.. Hmmm.. Four?!?
Oh, and its EXPERIENCE, and BEFORE.
Did you attend high school?
06-05-05, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Rat
Your profile puts your age at or around 22 years old, so if you have 18 years of experience, you would have been maintaining rotaries since about.. Hmmm.. Four?!?
Oh, and its EXPERIENCE, and BEFORE.
Did you attend high school?
Oh, and its EXPERIENCE, and BEFORE.
Did you attend high school?
i agree with ya Rat, i find that a few people on this forum like attention and to feel that they know everything, i don't act like i do but i do feel i know more than most, it is just saddening to see most of the time though...
i dump 12 ounces of CHEAP *** WALL MART oil in my tank, pump it full of gas and run the **** out of it. i even run the CHEAP *** un gas can mixed premix at the autocrosses where i BEAT THE **** out of my car and have run into 0 problems.
sorry for the emphasis there but i hate all of these personal FEELINGs and OPINIONS try to push their way all over these threads. i prefer to use time tested proven facts over my personal opinion any day.
do what you all want with your cars, i spoke what i have seen both in performance and visual teardowns of engines using premix. (as stated, premix can be oil in the tank or mixed in cans outside the tank, i ride motocross as well and i know that gas and oil mix just fine in the tank, how do i know? because i put oil in my gas can and then add the fuel for my premix in my dirtbike. i have never popped a motor by running it 'lean')
edit: you know i like you Ice but you really should learn mediocrity.
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06-05-05, 04:23 AM
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Ive been running premix for a year, and I have let my car sit for months, and I just shake the entire car to mix the oil before startup, and it works fine still.. Naysayers..
06-05-05, 07:50 AM
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Jrat - 21. I have ben racing MX 18yrs, 2 years pro now, and I have ben able to mix my own fule since 3 When I got my first bike and my dad took the premix jet out. I rebuilt my first motor at 9, and at the rate I race now I rebuilt my 2 strokes evry week top end wise. Or help my dad do it when I can. On this matter I would never post but the most optimum and proper way to do it. I didnt say you couldent make it work or get by. But if you do it why not do it right? Thats it. I posted the carectoristics and differ blends of oil and what they cause, on veriation from oil to oil. You may have differ opinions and can say this has worked for me. But when fact comes down to it nuthing I have said is incorect and is race proven.
Gas does go bad much faster when mixed.
It never will mix properly in a tank when mixed in tank.
Oil will tend to seperate from gas in tank when mixed in tank.
Oil mix lowers the fule octain
A 100:1 is said to be the ideal ratio for a premix only rotary
A 200:1 with MOP "as said by SonicRat"
I run a 35:1 ratio in my bikes so 4oz per gallon is the mixing mesurment or 1pt per 4 gallons. This is a much greater amount of oil compared to 100:1 thus causing fule to go bad in 1 to 2 months based on its storing conditions. As well makes mixing carectoristics much higher "bottles". I as well run 120+ octain. The higher the octain the faster rate the fule will go bad. A 100:1 ratio is not much and thus can slip by with much less care put into it. However the factors of 2cycle oil stay the same. Just in a higher threshhold. I will continu to stand by and say.
If you do it why not do it correctly!? After all its your $$ and your motor.
Karack - you know i like you Ice but you really should learn mediocrity.
and I have never had a issue with you and think you are quit knowledgeable. As well obtain alot of NFO from things you say and post.
I agree with you and say there is a mediocrity here that is well suitable. I just leave that for you and them to decide. I was only posting the most proper way to do it. Or you could say how it should be done. Once again I feel and posting by if your gona do it why not do it right?
The way you guys need to or should have ben posting is your exsperiance and the thresh hold that has worked for you. But to use that as to prove my input inacurect is just lame and inacuret and makes you look bad to. It does nuthing but confuse new comers. After all isnt that why this thread is here? New comers trying to learn?
Gas does go bad much faster when mixed.
It never will mix properly in a tank when mixed in tank.
Oil will tend to seperate from gas in tank when mixed in tank.
Oil mix lowers the fule octain
A 100:1 is said to be the ideal ratio for a premix only rotary
A 200:1 with MOP "as said by SonicRat"
I run a 35:1 ratio in my bikes so 4oz per gallon is the mixing mesurment or 1pt per 4 gallons. This is a much greater amount of oil compared to 100:1 thus causing fule to go bad in 1 to 2 months based on its storing conditions. As well makes mixing carectoristics much higher "bottles". I as well run 120+ octain. The higher the octain the faster rate the fule will go bad. A 100:1 ratio is not much and thus can slip by with much less care put into it. However the factors of 2cycle oil stay the same. Just in a higher threshhold. I will continu to stand by and say.
If you do it why not do it correctly!? After all its your $$ and your motor.
Karack - you know i like you Ice but you really should learn mediocrity.
and I have never had a issue with you and think you are quit knowledgeable. As well obtain alot of NFO from things you say and post.I agree with you and say there is a mediocrity here that is well suitable. I just leave that for you and them to decide. I was only posting the most proper way to do it. Or you could say how it should be done. Once again I feel and posting by if your gona do it why not do it right?
The way you guys need to or should have ben posting is your exsperiance and the thresh hold that has worked for you. But to use that as to prove my input inacurect is just lame and inacuret and makes you look bad to. It does nuthing but confuse new comers. After all isnt that why this thread is here? New comers trying to learn?
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06-05-05, 08:00 AM
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I use the cheap Wal-Mart stuff as well and my car hasn't run smoother since as long as I can remember. The only smoking I get is from the bnr stage III when I idle to long witch will be fixed soon. My car smells no different either. So as far as I know the Wal-Mart stuff is just as good as the expensive stuff. Lets face it, gas is already expensive without premix let alone expensive premix. I'll stick to my cheap stuff and if it messes my engine up I'll be the first one to say so and I'll post it on the site 
Oh I'm not sure if this has been cleared up either or not but I read a few people don't want to premix because of it clogging up injectors. well from what I've read from numerous different knowledgeable people on this site, it does nothing of the sort. Just do a search on premix on this site and you will see.
Oh I'm not sure if this has been cleared up either or not but I read a few people don't want to premix because of it clogging up injectors. well from what I've read from numerous different knowledgeable people on this site, it does nothing of the sort. Just do a search on premix on this site and you will see.
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06-05-05, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hondahater
I use the cheap Wal-Mart stuff as well and my car hasn't run smoother since as long as I can remember. The only smoking I get is from the bnr stage III when I idle to long witch will be fixed soon. My car smells no different either. So as far as I know the Wal-Mart stuff is just as good as the expensive stuff. Lets face it, gas is already expensive without premix let alone expensive premix. I'll stick to my cheap stuff and if it messes my engine up I'll be the first one to say so and I'll post it on the site Oh I'm not sure if this has been cleared up either or not but I read a few people don't want to premix because of it clogging up injectors. well from what I've read from numerous different knowledgeable people on this thread, it does nothing of the sort. Just do a search on premix on this site and you will see.
Oh I'm not sure if this has been cleared up either or not but I read a few people don't want to premix because of it clogging up injectors. well from what I've read from numerous different knowledgeable people on this thread, it does nothing of the sort. Just do a search on premix on this site and you will see.I notice a smell differance when changing betweens oils such as. Klots to Blensol to weed wacker oil to Red Line. A huge differ from methinol castrol based Blensol to a non like Klots. But our cars are only runing 100:1 at best compared to my 35:1 in a bike so there is much more oil being burned to smell! And then you have added things like chamberd mufflers and cats.
06-05-05, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iceblue
Jrat - 21. I have ben racing MX 18yrs, 2 years pro now, and I have ben able to mix my own fule since 3 When I got my first bike and my dad took the premix jet out. I rebuilt my first motor at 9, and at the rate I race now I rebuilt my 2 strokes evry week top end wise. Or help my dad do it when I can. On this matter I would never post but the most optimum and proper way to do it. I didnt say you couldent make it work or get by. But if you do it why not do it right? Thats it. I posted the carectoristics and differ blends of oil and what they cause, on veriation from oil to oil. You may have differ opinions and can say this has worked for me. But when fact comes down to it nuthing I have said is incorect and is race proven.
Gas does go bad much faster when mixed.
It never will mix properly in a tank when mixed in tank.
Oil will tend to seperate from gas in tank when mixed in tank.
Oil mix lowers the fule octain
A 100:1 is said to be the ideal ratio for a premix only rotary
A 200:1 with MOP "as said by SonicRat"
I run a 35:1 ratio in my bikes so 4oz per gallon is the mixing mesurment or 1pt per 4 gallons. This is a much greater amount of oil compared to 100:1 thus causing fule to go bad in 1 to 2 months based on its storing conditions. As well makes mixing carectoristics much higher "bottles". I as well run 120+ octain. The higher the octain the faster rate the fule will go bad. A 100:1 ratio is not much and thus can slip by with much less care put into it. However the factors of 2cycle oil stay the same. Just in a higher threshhold. I will continu to stand by and say.
If you do it why not do it correctly!? After all its your $$ and your motor.
Karack - you know i like you Ice but you really should learn mediocrity.
and I have never had a issue with you and think you are quit knowledgeable. As well obtain alot of NFO from things you say and post.
I agree with you and say there is a mediocrity here that is well suitable. I just leave that for you and them to decide. I was only posting the most proper way to do it. Or you could say how it should be done. Once again I feel and posting by if your gona do it why not do it right?
The way you guys need to or should have ben posting is your exsperiance and the thresh hold that has worked for you. But to use that as to prove my input inacurect is just lame and inacuret and makes you look bad to. It does nuthing but confuse new comers. After all isnt that why this thread is here? New comers trying to learn?
Gas does go bad much faster when mixed.
It never will mix properly in a tank when mixed in tank.
Oil will tend to seperate from gas in tank when mixed in tank.
Oil mix lowers the fule octain
A 100:1 is said to be the ideal ratio for a premix only rotary
A 200:1 with MOP "as said by SonicRat"
I run a 35:1 ratio in my bikes so 4oz per gallon is the mixing mesurment or 1pt per 4 gallons. This is a much greater amount of oil compared to 100:1 thus causing fule to go bad in 1 to 2 months based on its storing conditions. As well makes mixing carectoristics much higher "bottles". I as well run 120+ octain. The higher the octain the faster rate the fule will go bad. A 100:1 ratio is not much and thus can slip by with much less care put into it. However the factors of 2cycle oil stay the same. Just in a higher threshhold. I will continu to stand by and say.
If you do it why not do it correctly!? After all its your $$ and your motor.
Karack - you know i like you Ice but you really should learn mediocrity.
and I have never had a issue with you and think you are quit knowledgeable. As well obtain alot of NFO from things you say and post.I agree with you and say there is a mediocrity here that is well suitable. I just leave that for you and them to decide. I was only posting the most proper way to do it. Or you could say how it should be done. Once again I feel and posting by if your gona do it why not do it right?
The way you guys need to or should have ben posting is your exsperiance and the thresh hold that has worked for you. But to use that as to prove my input inacurect is just lame and inacuret and makes you look bad to. It does nuthing but confuse new comers. After all isnt that why this thread is here? New comers trying to learn?
LOL maybe instead of racing and rebuilding motors you should have been in school learning how to spell
9 year olds should be attending spelling bee's and such not rebuilding motors
i would rather have my son spelling stuff correctly than say well he can change your head gasket though
or should i say hed LOL
06-05-05, 09:14 AM
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I bought a ton of 16 oz cans of Pennzoil 2 stroke oil that were on clearance at Walmart. Stay away from this oil, it smokes a lot and appears to settle out of suspension if the car sits for a long time.
I switched to the cheapo Walmart 2 stroke oil and it is much better than the Pennzoil. No smoke.
I switched to the cheapo Walmart 2 stroke oil and it is much better than the Pennzoil. No smoke.
06-05-05, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmo_TT
LOL maybe instead of racing and rebuilding motors you should have been in school learning how to spell
9 year olds should be attending spelling bee's and such not rebuilding motors
i would rather have my son spelling stuff correctly than say well he can change your head gasket though
or should i say hed LOL
9 year olds should be attending spelling bee's and such not rebuilding motors
i would rather have my son spelling stuff correctly than say well he can change your head gasket though
or should i say hed LOL
LOL. Maybe instead of racing and rebuilding motors, you should have been in school learning how to spell. A nine year old, should be attending spelling bee's and such, not rebuilding motors. I would rather have my son spelling words correctly, than say well, "he can change your head gasket though".
06-05-05, 10:26 AM
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I think we're done here. Anything that can be said about premix has been said. There are topics in the archives, and it's all available via the search.
We're past there were certain new members (who really don't know what they are talking about) are now tooting their own horn and attacking people for their spelling. So this thread is no longer useful, and it is now closed.
As a note to these certain new members, perhaps you should calm down with the posting until you actually can provide correct information.
We're past there were certain new members (who really don't know what they are talking about) are now tooting their own horn and attacking people for their spelling. So this thread is no longer useful, and it is now closed.
As a note to these certain new members, perhaps you should calm down with the posting until you actually can provide correct information.
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