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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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icemark- i have a t04e 60 trim water/oil cooled turbo. after hard driving, the oil in my car was very much nuked. so i guess it depends...??
This should be an different thread.

But it sounds like you have made the wrong choice in oils then, because if you think a Turbo timer is going to save your oil ... well it will have little to no effect.

See a turbo timer simply keeps the engine running for what a minute or two (or maybe even 5 if you can set yours that high).

And the idea is that it keeps the oil circulting through the bearings so that the oil does not get hot soaked and coked in. This was a big problem in the old days of only oil cooling the turbo. Such as what was found in the late 70's Nissan and Prosche Turbo products.

But with modern turbos, the water cooling jacket has already removed the possibility of 500F turbo bearings, eliminating the cokeing of the oil on the bearings. Even with hot soak, the bearings never reach the temps of above 500F needed to coke the oil.

Add in the supposed safe idea of running the engine for a minute or two, with only the air being drawn through the rad as cooling, and you actually will see a higher spike in engine temps at +10 minutes shut down, than if the engine was just shut off.

Now I am not suggesting that you run your motor at 6K+ RPm and then just shut it off. But in the normal parking that most people do, there is more than sufficent cooling of the turbos bearings by the stock water cooling system to completely rule out the need for any sort of Turbo timer.
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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well i hate wiring things in series like that because it can have side affects, maybe it will work fine or maybe it won't. i hate spending the time to reengineer a car.
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Icemark
Should not be set for voltage... not when the tach wires are so easy to get to on a FC.

Voltage set is for installers too lame to spend the extra time to do it right.
.. for some reason the DEI will not see my RPM at idle...I even hooked up an aftermarked tach to the tach signal wire and that worked just fine..then I attched the DEI tach wire to the same location and nada...I wa sgoing to send it back but it works just fine for me the way it is
And voltage set is not for lame installers(but I guess it could be).it is for cars that have a poor tach signal or have non at all...like my 87 BMW

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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Icemark
Because they are completey useless on a FC with its oil and water cooled turbo...

The only cars that you want to use a turbo timer on is for cars that have only oil cooler turbos.

On a FC a Turbo timer is just rice. Rice= something that the owner thinks looks cool, but serves no real performance or mechanical purpose.

can't agree at all....I drive a lot on the autobahn and when I get home or to my destination then I am glad that my glowing red turbo can cool off without frying the coolant and oil at 1000F+.

also...a timer, at least the blitz, can be programmed as high as 9 minutes and 59
seconds

and if that makes my car rice then so be it...i love it...the remote start is also a toy or maybe even rice...guess it is just a matter of perspective

Reminds me of a saying:
Going one week without sex is tough but try going one day with out a rationalization.
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 06:15 PM
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well i hate wiring things in series like that because it can have side affects, maybe it will work fine or maybe it won't. i hate spending the time to reengineer a car.
if you want to do it then I can provide you with pics of the install/wires. I even had the turbo timer wires and the corresponding remote start wires solderd together first and then soldered them to the ignition wires. I can't really think of anything going wrong unless a + wire is connected to ground...
If the DEI system sends the start command it is the same as turning the key in the ignition so the turbo timer won't know the difference and vice versa...
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Travelintrevor
can't agree at all....I drive a lot on the autobahn and when I get home or to my destination then I am glad that my glowing red turbo can cool off without frying the coolant and oil at 1000F+.
exactly, but...

Originally Posted by Icemark
This should be an different thread.
and btw icemark i use 20w50.
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Travelintrevor
can't agree at all....I drive a lot on the autobahn and when I get home or to my destination then I am glad that my glowing red turbo can cool off without frying the coolant and oil at 1000F+.

also...a timer, at least the blitz, can be programmed as high as 9 minutes and 59
seconds

and if that makes my car rice then so be it...i love it...the remote start is also a toy or maybe even rice...guess it is just a matter of perspective

Reminds me of a saying:
Going one week without sex is tough but try going one day with out a rationalization.
You are aware that the DEI remote starts have a built in 12 minute turbo timer as well???
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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Travelintrevor
.. for some reason the DEI will not see my RPM at idle...I even hooked up an aftermarked tach to the tach signal wire and that worked just fine..then I attched the DEI tach wire to the same location and nada...I wa sgoing to send it back but it works just fine for me the way it is
And voltage set is not for lame installers(but I guess it could be).it is for cars that have a poor tach signal or have non at all...like my 87 BMW
#1 what wire are you using for tach??? Should be the Yellow/blue at the gauges or, power steering computer, or trailing coils.

#2 if you are on that wire, and it is still not learning, have you tried a tach filter yet? Really simple to make, just a 4.7k resistor and a diode.

#3 the DEI remote starts will also learn a primary injector control wire on a FC.

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Old Mar 5, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
well i hate wiring things in series like that because it can have side affects, maybe it will work fine or maybe it won't..
There's no maybe about it. If you wire them up properly, it will work fine. If you don't, it won't.
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Old Mar 6, 2005 | 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Icemark
#1 what wire are you using for tach??? Should be the Yellow/blue at the gauges or, power steering computer, or trailing coils.

#2 if you are on that wire, and it is still not learning, have you tried a tach filter yet? Really simple to make, just a 4.7k resistor and a diode.

#3 the DEI remote starts will also learn a primary injector control wire on a FC.

i will try your point number two..thanks..don't remember what wire I used-was almost two years ago..now i just need it too get warm outside
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