2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

how to free up some low end power?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 06:37 PM
  #1  
rotary downshift's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 448
Likes: 0
From: Performance Improvements
how to free up some low end power?

ok guys this is a strange but yet important question .... how do i get my engine to put out more low end power .... this is somewhat nessary due to the fact that i will be taking my car to the strip ... so id like to be able to have a bit more low end power .. and ideas would be great thnx
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 06:38 PM
  #2  
Parastie's Avatar
Mountain Rotary Mod
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,411
Likes: 0
From: Freaking Poland!!
Originally Posted by rotary downshift
ok guys this is a strange but yet important question .... how do i get my engine to put out more low end power .... this is somewhat nessary due to the fact that i will be taking my car to the strip ... so id like to be able to have a bit more low end power .. and ideas would be great thnx
There's really no such thing as low end power, so you're going to have to learn to launch on the high end. It can be done! Do a search on the subject.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 06:43 PM
  #3  
Dan H's Avatar
Zoom Zoom Boom!
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,312
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco, CA
V8 swap
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 07:18 PM
  #4  
GodSquadMandrake's Avatar
Radioactive Rotary Rocket
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,061
Likes: 1
From: Minneapolis, MN
Originally Posted by Dan H
V8 swap
Or a supercharger.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 07:22 PM
  #5  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
So long as it's not a camden charger...
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:17 PM
  #6  
Syonyk's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,718
Likes: 1
From: Ames, IA
Learn to double clutch into 1st. 1st gear is short enough that you should be up in the power band for pretty much any autocross track.

Alternately, a supercharger is good for low end torque, or a fancy multi-turbo setup could be arranged to give you full boost down low but still flow well for power up high.

-=Russ=-
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:20 PM
  #7  
Tech_Greek's Avatar
Rockn' The Galant
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,901
Likes: 0
From: Shreveport, LA
A supercharger is very fun for low end torque, even the camdens rat
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:37 PM
  #8  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
My turbo car makes more low-end torque than the camden!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:40 PM
  #9  
Tech_Greek's Avatar
Rockn' The Galant
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,901
Likes: 0
From: Shreveport, LA
Your turbo is also bigger than my engine
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:46 PM
  #10  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
Can't argue that!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:50 PM
  #11  
Tech_Greek's Avatar
Rockn' The Galant
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,901
Likes: 0
From: Shreveport, LA
ahaha, yes, low end torque, just replace your turbo with one the size of SonicRAT's, you wont complain anymore about low end torque I promise lol
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:54 PM
  #12  
Sideways7's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 6,598
Likes: 10
From: Temple, Texas (Central)
Originally Posted by Tech_Greek
Your turbo is also bigger than my engine
I always thought huge turbos had crappy low-end torque.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:55 PM
  #13  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
Well, don't get too ahead of yourself, if ya go twice the size of your engine ya get that nasty turbo lag!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:01 PM
  #14  
1990RXHeaven's Avatar
90RXHeaven
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
From: Geneseo, NY
I was always under the impression that huge turbos take much more time to spool up but give lots of boost on the high end (since the car is using much more air at high end a big turbo will supply lots of extra.) Small turbos can only supply limited amounts but spool up very quickly allowing you car to use the turbo at very low end. Thats what's nice about chargers though, because it doesn't run off exhaust and therefore no lag at all and supposedly the lowest end torque increase possible.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:04 PM
  #15  
BlkS5TII's Avatar
JDM > USDM
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
From: Tokyo
But without as much of a top end gain. There's always a trade-off you have to make depending on what your goals are.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:05 PM
  #16  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
It's all about properly sizing, that and ball bearing helps. A supercharger beats most properly sized turbos in about 1k - 2k rpm, around 2K rpm from most dynos, most turbo cars are producing more torque (and continue to produce more) than most supercharged cars posted here have (short of the whipple car I built).

Also note, most of what me and Tech were talking about was simple joking.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:05 PM
  #17  
iceblue's Avatar
Passing life by
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,028
Likes: 2
From: Scotland, USA
^ last time I checked ported motor with N2O spool gives you boost right off the line :-P
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:12 PM
  #18  
Tech_Greek's Avatar
Rockn' The Galant
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,901
Likes: 0
From: Shreveport, LA
iceblue - yeah if you don't want traction ;P

Sonic, what was the RPM range on your whipple any ways, wheres the dyno sheet at?
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:13 PM
  #19  
iceblue's Avatar
Passing life by
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,028
Likes: 2
From: Scotland, USA
Well damn! No one told me they wanted traction!!!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:23 PM
  #20  
SonicRaT's Avatar
Super Raterhater
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 10,630
Likes: 3
From: NY, MA, MI, OR, TX, and now LA or AZ!
Originally Posted by Tech_Greek
iceblue - yeah if you don't want traction ;P

Sonic, what was the RPM range on your whipple any ways, wheres the dyno sheet at?
The closest thing to the dyno graph is pianoprodigy's comparison in excel, it's just like a roots blower, instant boost as soon as you press the throttle.
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:20 AM
  #21  
RETed's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 26,664
Likes: 22
From: n
20B
NOS
SC



-Ted
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:24 AM
  #22  
classicauto's Avatar
Crash Auto?Fix Auto.
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 7,831
Likes: 2
From: Hagersville Ontario
when it comes to low end power and torque......there's no replacement for displacement.....20B or go ***** out and put a 4 rotor in it.....
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 08:46 AM
  #23  
Aaron Cake's Avatar
Engine, Not Motor
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 29,798
Likes: 128
From: London, Ontario, Canada
If we're talking about NA, there are a few things you can do:

-Turbo it. Seriously a turbocharger not only makes for more power top end but improves the torque curve all the way around. If you're just looking for more grunt, you don't need some kind of monster turbo. The stock turbo on an NA makes a world of difference. It's the first thing I noticed when I did mine.

-In the same sense, supercharging seems to work.

-Make sure the aux ports are working. Sounds simple, but it gets overlooked alot.

-Long tube headers. Increase the scavenging effect.

-Custom intake manifold. Longer runners will shift the powerband down. Higher velocity = more low end punch.

-20B. No replacement for displacement. Build a 20B NA with high compression rotors, a good intake manifold and a decent port.

-Peripheral port. A nice PP engine with an open exhaust and intake (um, slightly loud) will show a better powerband starting at about 2.5K RPM (dyno graphs have been posted here before).
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2005 | 09:36 AM
  #24  
sar's Avatar
sar
Doin a rebuild.
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
From: Roswell (atl ) Georgia
Cutoff some weight as mentioned in the archives in different best bang for buck things.

Get lightweight wheels, left mass to spin up means more acceleration.
Same thing with a lighter flywheel

Reduce brake resistance and make sure all bearings are operating as smoothly as possible.

Switch to the 4.33 differential from the gtuS
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Queppa
New Member RX-7 Technical
11
Nov 18, 2024 03:47 AM
cristoDathird
Introduce yourself
28
May 30, 2019 08:47 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:11 AM.