I just started learning how to drive manual a while ago and is styll not a pro ( not even close) so i think i need some help...
I dont know if its just my FC or is it like this on all manual car...but when i turn and just let go of gas ( having no foot on any pedal) the engine brake comes in and after the turn when i step on gas ... the car stalls a little.
To not let this happen with out shifting to neutral in a turn ...I leave it in what ever gear I'm in , step and hold on tha cluth untill it needs gas...and i gas and slowly let go of the clutch like regular gear shifting??

Is what im doing correct??? is it incorrect?? Does this wear down my clutch ???
Any suggestions??? Please Help!!!

Thanks!!!!

 

just PULL E BREAK

 

e brake thats a bad idea somesimes..... most times.. nooo what i do in my moms rx-8 is i just clutch shrough the cruve then i downshift if needed depending on speed the shift into the gear.... gas clutch ect. and it works fine no power lost. i think that how u do it but in not sure its not even my car lol

 

why not try what your asking about and see if it works better?

if your needing to slow down for a turn, say at an intersection turning to the right, most likely you will need to downshift from whatever gear to at least 3rd, probably second, so just put it in neutral while slowing down or have the clutch in and make the turn, and as your throug the middle of the turn or so shift and ease off the clutch and give it gas.

but if your already in the right gear, say second or even first if your just driving around a parking lot, you can either give it a really small amount of gas so its almost slowing down even though you are giving it gas, so you dont need the clutch to start eccelarating again to make it smooth, or just hold the clutch in and cost for a while.

you will get used to driving it to the point where you dotn have to think about what to do and it will just be natural.

 

no advice is needed. You will figure it out with a little practice.

 

I learned by being a major Gran Turismo buff with the Logitech Force Feedback wheel and pedals. I got all of the liscences, got all gold on the rally license. Is it just me or did they make the rally portion too easy? Anyways, My dad and I would spend all weekend just picking a track and a car and doing free run continuously beating each other's times. And 2-3 hour endurance races are fun too, although my bum gets sore on that fold-out chair...

Already got the Force Feedback Pro... waiting for GT4!!

Since I am bored, I will do track racing 101...

As for turning what you basically want to do is take the turns as wide as possible while going as fast as you can without losing control over your car. To take this wide turn, what you do is brake as you approach the turn while staying on the outside. Mid-way through the turn your car should reach the edge of the road, this is called the apex. Then apply the gas going out of the turn and if done right you should sort of sling shot to the other side of the road again. In these poor drawings, red=brake, black=no brakes/gas, green=gas. In the images I show braking beginning to turn. I generally don't brake into a turn all that much, you can easily have your rear end swing around and spin out.







Get back to me if you want rally racing 101.

Oh wait, I think you're talking about regular street driving... well, I just slow down to a nice speed, push down the clutch and put it in the gear which is ideal to what speed I will exit. Take the turn and engage the clutch and give it gas at the apex. Although it's hard to take wide turns on streets since there is like 1 ft of extra space on either side of you.

 

what RPM are you at when it "stalls" a little?? and is it on every turn?? could be a few things, Fuel pump sock needs cleaning or replacing, or if it has a modded throttle body it will stall if you press the gas too suddenly under 3000rpm's.

as for taking a corner, i come to the corner at a good speed, heel toe to rev match for the downshift, let off the brake at what seems to me is a good time and start my acceleration out of it and anticipate the next

 

Sounds to me like he just isn't downshifting and is lugging the engine.

 

nice Agent D!! Yeah, if you're really racing (or going for fastest time possible), u should brake hard (dont lock em) goin into the turn to load front tires, and get at an acceptable speed for that turn. Heel-toe if downshift is needed (usually will need to). Heel-toe is a technique used by real racers. Just brake, put car in (N), keep heel on brake while slidin toe (of right foot in USA) over to the gas and blip the gas pedal. This is to match the revs of the gear ur goin into as to not cause disruption in traction. Takes a lil bit to master, but enough practice and ull get it. As for just havin some fun around turns on the road, most time u cant properly apex a turn on the highway (traffic being the main reason) so just do whats comfortable to u so u dont wreck, lol.

 

yep basicly what everyone else is saying...heel toe is kind of hard for a beginner but you will figure it out. when i first started with a manual i just downshifted matched revs and let the clutch out smoothly then romped on it. heel-toe is effective for more aggressive driving because you save time using the gas to match revs and the brakes to slow down at the same time. master using one pedal at a time first though its possible to screw up really bad mid turn when heel-toeing...you dont want that. simply put for racing:
1. KNOW YOUR TURN.
If you dont you need to slow down and take it safely.
2. As your coming to the corner know when you need to brake to safely but quickly enter
the turn.
3. Apply brakes and clutch at the same time
4. Select gear for fastest exit speed
5. When you hit the apex let the clutch out and smoothly but quickly apply throttle
6. Exit wide but with no abrubt motions (SMOOTH as GLASS)

if you feel the car start to slip keep COOL Panic is a deadly thing ease up off the brakes or the gas... if you lose control do NOT slam on the brakes youll just keep sliding depress the clutch or put the car in neutral and look to where you want to go steer in that direction and when you regain control slap yourself for screwing up and practice that corner slowly until you understand the dynamics of it.
good luck. dont take two lanes up unless it is at least 12am and watch for headlights (and cops and deer) be careful.
EDIT: sounds like your tearing the **** out of your clutch. thats bad. dont do that.

 

o yeah and as for entry/exit. I will in-detail, explain those pics u see further up. Basically u wanna do outside-inside-outside on a regular curve. this means going to the extreme outside of the lane or road, braking hard-light brakin while actually turnin the wheel in the turn. Point towards the inside edge of the road at the center(apex) of the curve, this is where u want to give the gas, and if done properly, u should spit out the curve at the outside edge of the road.

PS--some info I heard awhile back that may be helpful.
Ok, lets look at traction as percentage. If you are brakin hard, then you're using about 100% of your traction to slow down. This means that if you turn the wheels, then you're overloadin (more than 100%) your traction percentage which will cause oversteer (front end going to inside of curve, or rearend comin around). With that said. If you brake at 80% then u have 20% being left over for turnin the car. This helped me put it in perspective, so maybe it will help others also.

Also, another thing may better put apexing into perspective is this. I know all of you have heard "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line" Well, do this. Since there isnt enough road to straighten a curve out completely, draw a line (mentally, of course) as straight as possible through the curve. This will be longest, but fastest way through said curve. And if the mental line is drawn rite, u'll have the outside-inside-outside thing I was saying.

 

Errr...it only stall on street drving ...when it come to spirited drivng..i dont think i feel much....

Its like..when its a 2 way stop sign and its my right of way to turn...if i dont clutch and just let go of gas and gas when im bout to exit the turninto the straight, my car would stall a little...

but if i hold down tha clutch and turn, its realli smooth

( all this is staying in tha same gear...no shifting involved)

 

what is approximate exit speed on the turn, and what kinda car/mods do u have?
What gear are you in also?

 

umm....im going around 30 MPH and in 2nd or 3rd gear ....no mods on cars
This only happens in regular everyday driving...

 

Sounds like you are lugging the engine. Next time look at the tachometer, if it is around idling rpm when you are turning you need to downshift or if you are in 1st gear slip the clutch.

 

hahahaha
and then hit the curb/go into a ditch

 

Good call i forgot about that traction in percentage example.
On a side note gt3 has exellent resources on driving in general heres a link to the original gran turismo "racing school" i havent read anything that negates what they say and i read alot about driving and put it into action. good day.
http://www.us.playstation.com/Conten...US-94194/Site/

 

eeerrr.....its never at idle RPM when i turn though...hmmm.....

 

ok, if you're enterin the turn at ~30mph in 3rd gear, then downshift to 2nd when in middle of turn and ease off clutch while hitting the gas. Dont ease too much, but dont just let go of the clutch quickly. Then when ur foot is off the clutch all the way, lay into the throttle for good exit. You should be hitting the gas pretty hard on the way out of the turn, not when u straighten up. You also have factor in speed loss due to cornering, altho at ~30mph, I dont think it lose that much for u need to go to 1st gear.

LOL rotorhed, surprisingly enough, thats where I got most of my info from. It comes directly from Skip Barber school, so it is very correct info (in the GT3 manual). Then, i just took that and previous knowledge and practiced, practiced, practiced. Now, i would say that im almost ready for SCAA, but id probly find out otherwise when i got there, lol. I think i'll stick to scarin my passengers for now.

 

eerrr....im actually talking about driving on the street...where theres traffic....but im learning a lot bout FAST driving

 

k then downshift and match revs to save your synchros and continue on.

 

I'm kinda at that point to... i practice more than i can afford proly seeing gas prices as they are. i know solo2 is hard as hell cuz you have no idea what the track is b4 you get there. It's a talented drivers sport... i'll probably check out solo 2 but im more interested in road racing.
p.s. scarin passengers is fun as hell, especialy ones that have never ridden in my car. i hate the screamers though.

 

What are gas prices like in STL? Here in NC/SC they are at the lowest here $1.59 for regular (which I use, man its great havin a car that loves the low-octane stuff), but average out to about $1.70. Yeah, I had to take my mom to AutoZone the other day, and I thought I was gonna be missin a passenger side armrest. I wasnt even going that fast around the turns either, well not to me. These cars dont exactly have the straight line speed (stock, no turbo that is) but man do they take the twisties. My 87 SE ran 16.2@87 at Rockingham, but I was a n00b then too. I wanna test my new baby out, for a base-line measurement. Then take it back when i have about 300+ at the rear wheels. I think at least 300rwhp will be my goal. I think it will be hard without a turbo tho, maybe impossible, not too sure. But, i'll probly opt for the turbo along the way.

ROTARY 7, for regular street driving, 2nd at ~30mph should be just fine. Maybe put it into neutral, rev it a bit to match the revs there, then drop it in 2nd and ease off clutch. That may be easier than tryin to heel-toe b4 AMPLE practice time with it.

 

it jumps around from $1.64 to $2 a couple of times a week. right now anyway.

About scaring people... Last week i had a friend of mine ask me if there was somewhere i could pull over so he could **** himself. he kept saying "Whoa!" "Whoa!" real quiet.
absolutely priceless

 

2nd Gen RX-7= $3000 (roughly)
New performance tires= $800
Havin the guy sittin next to you nearly **** himself, or reach out and brace hands on the dash, or whisper to himself "whoa, whoa"= priceless

LMAO!!!

correction (maybe) on the 87 Se's times: it may have been 16.2@82 or 87 cant remember (was two yrs ago). But 87 sounds kinda high for 16.2, doh well.