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How accurate is a narrowband AF guage?

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Old May 15, 2005 | 07:02 PM
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Exclamation How accurate is a narrowband AF guage?

If i were trying to lean out my car via an safc, and I just wanted it in the general "stoich" area, will my autometer AF guage fit the bill?
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Old May 15, 2005 | 07:07 PM
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Old May 15, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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thought so, then what is a safe percentage of fuel I can take out to help my emissions test? My HC and CO readings are through the roof.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 07:55 PM
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I don't agree with J-rat...In the middle ranges, or stoich area if you will, the narrow band is just as accurate as the wide as far as I'm concerned. If this were not the case, all new cars would have wide bands on them for the closed-loop operation to save fuel.

A narrow band's bounce will look the same as a wide band's bounce around the stoich point in closed loop...
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:02 PM
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Correct!

^^^^ I concur. If you are looking for around 14.7 AFR then narrow band O2 is fine. Wide bands can measure from 9.0:1 to 15.0:1 AFR.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WAYNE88N/A
I don't agree with J-rat...In the middle ranges, or stoich area if you will, the narrow band is just as accurate as the wide as far as I'm concerned. If this were not the case, all new cars would have wide bands on them for the closed-loop operation to save fuel.

A narrow band's bounce will look the same as a wide band's bounce around the stoich point in closed loop...

One word..

Dithering..
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:08 PM
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They have an idle test and a load test usually. Under load, you don't want to tune for 'stoich', at idle, tune the bitch until it stalls or starts hunting.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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It's OK, Rat, it's a very rare thing indeed when I disagree with you

Dithering, I haven't been called THAT before...
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Well the test goes up to 3k, so I was just gonna lean the hell out of it, but I dont want to go too low.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Run a shitload of alcohol and baby it.
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Old May 15, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Run a shitload of alcohol and baby it.
Yea that too,

My HC readings where like 100 above the limit at 25mph and 50 above at 15mph

CO % was about double at 25 and 1.5 times more at 15mph.


So my plan will be about 10% less fuel up to 3500 and a gallon of alky-haul and a 1.4 tank of gas.
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Old May 29, 2005 | 04:24 AM
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so what is the range for a narrow o2?
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Old May 29, 2005 | 06:11 AM
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narrow band is simply not going to do it if youre tuning for any power. word on the street is that the stock o2 sensor pretty much just tells whether your rich or lean.. just a lack of accuracy. for a low rpm test though im sure you could probably get some correction #s from a forum member if anyone could volunteer an approximate amount that he can cut. being a turbo car though.. its tricky. my na .. ive run it -25% and it never detonated.
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Old May 29, 2005 | 07:16 AM
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Yeah but make sure your running an upgraded fuel pump because you would be going dangerously low if you adjusted with a syock fuel pump.
I did this to pass my emissions test way back, i lowered the 1k to like -15% all the way through till 3k. Of course i had a walboro so i was flowing a little more fuel than normal.
It worked though i passed perfectly once i got rid of some of that fuel.
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