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Old 01-17-04, 03:35 PM
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i wanna buy a turbo hood for my car and the one i found is aluminum my origonal hood is metal is their any other differences in the hood other than my original hood is heavier l it fit?
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Engrish?

if you use an aluminum hood, (turbo or non-turbo versions) you must also change the hinges and latch.

All the FC hoods (regardless of construction) are interchangeable other than that.
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were can i find a latch and the hinges?

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Originally posted by calio64
were can i find a latch and the hinges?

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so i need the hinges from a aluminum hood car what makes the hoods different
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no difference. the spring on the latch of cars with steel hoods is wound tighter than that of the spring on the latch of cars with aluminum hoods. if you have an aluminum hood with the steel hood spring, the hood will not shut when you drop it. you'll have to press on it, possibly denting it eventually.
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The hoods are the same except the aluminum ones are made from aluminum.....

They're identical except the aluminum hoods are substantially lighter.
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Steel hinges against an alum hood will start an electrolitic action and the alum will start rotting.

You can try putting a couple of heavy coats of paint or a sealer, but I have seen a lot of hoods rotted unless the correct hinges were used.
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Originally posted by stickgoat
The hoods are the same except the aluminum ones are made from aluminum.....

They're identical except the aluminum hoods are substantially lighter.
Ted weighed them and found only about 20 lbs lighter

If weight really is an issue then you want to use a non turbo alum hood. They are lighter than the turbo alum ones.

And don't forget you occasionally see steel turbo hoods

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20lb is prety substantial in my book
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Old 01-17-04, 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by andrew lohaus
20lb is prety substantial in my book

20lbs equates to 0.68xxx% of the total weight of the car. To spend 200 dollars on a hood plus another 150 for shipping costs its worthless use of money. If you take that and put it into something to make your car have more horse power you will have used your money more wisely. Plus N/a's don't deserve a Turbo Hood. Its named that for a reason.
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20lbs equates to 0.68xxx% of the total weight of the car. To spend 200 dollars on a hood plus another 150 for shipping costs its worthless use of money. If you take that and put it into something to make your car have more horse power you will have used your money more wisely. Plus N/a's don't deserve a Turbo Hood. Its named that for a reason.
If he finds an AL hood at the junkyard for $40 is it worthless? Being lightweight isnt only for acceleration, but it also helps handling and braking. Its not going to help alot, but it sure makes alot more since than putting lexan windows in or something.

Please explain why an n/a doesn't DESERVE at TII hood. This should be good.
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
20lbs equates to 0.68xxx% of the total weight of the car. To spend 200 dollars on a hood plus another 150 for shipping costs its worthless use of money. If you take that and put it into something to make your car have more horse power you will have used your money more wisely. Plus N/a's don't deserve a Turbo Hood. Its named that for a reason.
well said.
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Originally posted by BDoty311

Please explain why an n/a doesn't DESERVE at TII hood. This should be good.

For the same reason you would not put a TURBO II sticker on an N/a. For the same reason I wouldn't put a 4X4 emblem on my 2wd F150 for the same reason you wouldn't put a GT tag on a V6 mustang. Its a designating peice for the TII. Everyone knows it. Its name implys turbo. No turbo no hood.


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Originally posted by Zer0 Cylinder
well said.
Thanks.



Hey guys I am going to put a GTUs sticker on my Sport where can I find one?
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Just like SE's don't deserve power windows and doors?

And kinda like how the S4 shouldn't have S5 back lights saying how your telling people if you have a NA you have a stock 165 hp instead of a stock 145. And if your turbo a stock 205 instead of 185.

Sort of like how FD's shouldn't get the hit Japanese ftps, after all thats saying you have a jspec model, and thats just wrong.

Instead of using politics, TII hood weighs less then steel hood, if someone were to acquire to acquire a TII hood more easily then a NA Aluminum then who cares.

Doesn't deserve a TII...sorry doesn't work for me. If someone were to replace their alum hood with TII its arguable sure. But com'n.


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Originally posted by Rued
Just like SE's don't deserve power windows and doors?
Why would you want to add weight?
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A TII hood just increases airflow and cooling...

how can it not be good on any RX7 regardless of being turbo or not?

So if someone makes their own scoop or installs an aftermarket scoop on a non turbo,you will scream 'sacriledge!!'?
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The fact of the matter is that an AL hood is a "performance hood" compared to a steel hood. So whats wrong with putting the performance part from a TII onto an n/a?

Is it stupid to put GXL hubs and wheels on your base model? Because God forbid someone actually believes its a GXL and they're disappointed by the lack of power features inside the cab.

I understand where you are coming from, but don't put others down because they want to lower the curb weight of their FC.
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Originally posted by Mike86
A TII hood just increases airflow and cooling...

how can it not be good on any RX7 regardless of being turbo or not?

So if someone makes their own scoop or installs an aftermarket scoop on a non turbo,you will scream 'sacriledge!!'?
If you haven't ever seen a stock IC the air flow is directed BACK towards the tranny tunnel. That does nothing for cooling other than the stock TURBO IC. Without ducting it isn't going to cool a damn thing. It might actually have a bad effect because the stock TURBO setup is ducted to move the air in the direction of the stock radiator's fan. Without it it may try to counter act the fan's air flow which would be a bad thing. And you have no data to back this up or do you? If someone installs another scoop without it properly being done it will be rice. It wouldn't be impersonating a TII if you take a different scoop though just plain tacky and rice. And if its soo good for the N/a's why didn't mazda just include the TURBO hood on all models? why because its not needed and probably does nothing to the N/a.


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PS-Fell free to back your claim up with cooling numbers before and after a TII TURBO HOOD installation.
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Originally posted by 1987RX7guy
Why would you want to add weight?
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Oh ya btw I have a FC NA with a TII hood, but I bought the car with it on already.
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Originally posted by BDoty311
The fact of the matter is that an AL hood is a "performance hood" compared to a steel hood. So whats wrong with putting the performance part from a TII onto an n/a?

Is it stupid to put GXL hubs and wheels on your base model? Because God forbid someone actually believes its a GXL and they're disappointed by the lack of power features inside the cab.

I understand where you are coming from, but don't put others down because they want to lower the curb weight of their FC.

There is a very distinctive difference between power windows and a turbo engine. The TII is by far a much higher model than any of the N/a's. But I would equate it to having a GTUs sticker on my Base model. Its simply rice. Its posing to be something that your not. You could spend that money on acutall power adder parts and get more performance from your money. And not be a poser.
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Hmm I highly disagree. A sticker is there specifically to indicate a model/class i.e. rice. If I were to put I HAVE TURBO sticker on my car then yeah thats really sad.

But visually the TII looks awesome, my last NA had a steel hood, and this one came with a TII hood. There is no question on which visually looks better. Most poeple don't know what a rx7 is anyways, even with my old NA people would ask "Is it turbo!?". Sooo for the most part your not really screaming I have a turbo.

If you can tell me the TII hood does not look in any way better then a NA hood, and thus has no benefit not even aesthetic then ok.

I still hold the same arguement about s4 to s5 because to quote you theres a distinctive between a s5 and a s4.
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Hmm I highly disagree. A sticker is there specifically to indicate a model/class i.e. rice. If I were to put I HAVE TURBO sticker on my car then yeah thats really sad.

But visually the TII looks awesome, my last NA had a steel hood, and this one came with a TII hood. There is no question on which visually looks better. Most poeple don't know what a rx7 is anyways, even with my old NA people would ask "Is it turbo!?". Sooo for the most part your not really screaming I have a turbo.

If you can tell me the TII hood does not look in any way better then a NA hood, and thus has no benefit not even aesthetic then ok.

I still hold the same arguement about s4 to s5 because to quote you theres a distinctive between a s5 and a s4.

I beleive EVERY ONE of us here knows that the Turbo hood means TURBO UNDER THE HOOD! The NAME says it!


And the TII hood is not asthetically better. Its in the way for me. and I don't like S4 to S5 conversions either if thats what you ment. S5 tails on the S4 is also rice.

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