jwall

need help with school lowering!!
ok i have to do an nglish speach on somthing that takes steps.
i am going to tell everybody "how to lower a car"

now what i need froma ll u smart pees is some technicly terms ans hints and tips on lowering our cars.

what are the 2 types of springs???

what camber will hapin..

advantages of lowering.

disadvantages or lowering.

for the project im goin to bring in my old springs and new ones. and my old struts and new KYB AGX and compare how much better they are.


any help will be good.

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

Why dont you actually do some work and look these things up for yourself instead of just asking us to do your project for you?

jwall

ur a ***.

why not do somthing els than bitch about **** on a ****** forum??

marcus219

a mod better pm sparky here......temper temper.

Give Rxmfn7 some respect jr.

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

Whoa, I didnt know I was gay, thanks for telling me..
You seriosly need to calm down, dont you have anything better to do than spray profanities on a forum. Man I was just kidding, hence the " " But I can see how my comment could have enraged you soo much..

This is your 1st warning, no flames are tolerated.

-whoops Im getting a little ahead of myself

jwall

I asked a question. if he didnt want to answer it he didnt have to.

im not gettign mad it just pisses me off when i ask a simple question i get **** like this.

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

And as a response to your questions, there are progressive rate and linear rate springs. If you lower your car too much, your camber will go negative, leading to increased tire wear, poor gas milage, poor handling and grip..etc. Advantages of lowering correctly is a stiffer spring rate, lower center of gravity, better handling. Disadvantages- car may be to low, harsh ride, if done incorrectly can make car very unstable.

marcus219

hehehe

jwall

how can u do it incorectly?

and thank u for the responce.

marcus219

negative camber=poor handling? alot of auto x'rs setup their cars to have a bit of negative camber for the better cornering ability. Worse gas mileage? Would it really be that notice able..I could see it for toe, trying to go down the road with your tires toe in like this / \



just my thoughts

DaveB

jwall,

You will present yourself much better, and more people will look upon you much more seriously if you took just a bit more care in your typing. Asking questions and using correct grammar will get you lots of answers and consideration.

I am certain that you want your presentation to be worth a good grade, so why not do your research as you plan to present your speech?

By the way, I have taught for my entire career, and would welcome a speech in my class of that nature IF it was done in a professional manner.

Good luck!

db

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

IF you lower the car too much, without re-adjusting for the camber, and getting a 4-wheel alignment after it is lowered. Also getting springs that are matched to a set of struts is important, since struts have a certain range of dampering they need to be within to work properly. If you ever see ricers riding around "bouncing" off bumps in the road, that is because they have the car way too low for the rest of the suspension to handle, and it basically bottoms out on the bump stops whenever the suspension travels up.

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

Well with too much negative camber you wouldnt allow the tire to have the full contact patch Id think. If you ever watch drift competitions they usually have the camber way negative to allow less traction. Now I suppose slightly - camber may help in some way, but I dont road race or have much experience with that, so I could be wrong.

DaveB

My experience for the FC is with 2 1/2 degrees negative in the front and 2 degrees in the rear with Hoosier tires. Other tires will need to have different amounts of camber. My understanding is that at maximum lateral load causes maximum contact patch. The best way to measure whether you have the right settings is to read tire temps at the end of a session.

I usually run 0 toe in the rear and 0 to 1/16 toe out in the front.

db

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

What would be the advantages of +toe? and is 1/16 really noticable? I agree about he slightly negative camber for racing purposes, as when the car turns in it will roll slightly and the tires will have full contact. But for most street applications alot of negative camber does nothing but wear tires faster..

DaveB

You are correct. Too much negative camber on the street is not such a good thing. On the street cars, I generally run about 1/2 degree negative which is accomplished by rotating the top strut bearing in the upper mount.

For the street 0 toe is just right. I like a little bit of toe out on the race car because it turns in better with my particular setup, and yes, 1/16 is noticable when you turn in at 100+ mph. Feels very stable.

db

jon88se

well, negative camber is better for cornering and allows you to change the attitude of the car depending on the where you're driving. negative camber is more apparent in the front than the rear unless you have a car that really rotates poorly (i.e. not an FC). drifters set more negative camber in the rear however to make the car easier to provoke into a full slide. negative camber does have it's downfalls for a street-driven car though and that means poor tire wear and the car will really follow all grooves in the road etc... My settings are as follows but are probably a little extreme for a street car but it sure is fun through the twisties and I'm blessed with a 2nd car (GVR4).

Front -1.75 (camber)
+0.05 (toe)

Rear -2.25 (camber)
+0.05 (toe)

The setup is KYB's and GC coilover conversion w/ Tein pillowball mounts and Cusco braces up front, out back and underneath. Tires are sized at 215/45/17 front and 235/45/17 rear sumitomo HTRZII's. the car is an NA so the excess of negative camber out back works for me until I have a little more power to throttle steer. TII swap awaits when the GVR4 is up and running again.

mazdamanda

Jwall,
There is plenty of info on the internet and this forum to find out how to lower a car. We aren't here to write your english speech. I do not appreciate your comment so you are getting an official warning. Please read the forum rules on conduct.
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/misc.p...ion=faq&page=4

'Personal attacks against other forum members will not be tolerated'.

Mephis

Step one Remove wheels ,2. start flame thrower, 3. heat springs untill red, 4. reinstall wheels, it will give you a low ricer, and itll give ya a crappy ride