Help Identifying engine. pics incl.
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Originally posted by hypntyz7
What that hell are you guy stalking about? Why open your mouth if you dont know the answer, only to confuse the original poster and spread misinformation??
That engine is the s4 13b, EFI, 146hp 6 port nonturbo engine. IT is what is *supposed* to be in any 86, 87, or 88 nonturbo car.Enough people on here have s4 nonturbos that I thought surely someone would have said "hey, that matches my engine". 12a, c'mon guys, 12a's are carbed, where do you see a carb?
I dont mean to bust anyone's ***** here, but I couldnt believe my eyes when i read this. A guy asks what engine he has, and he posts this in teh 2nd gen forum...this leads one to believe he has a 2nd gen. There are 4 engines that came in 2gens, and you guys dont respond with any of them.And this is supposed to be the largest (and most knowledgeable) rotary forum in teh world?
What that hell are you guy stalking about? Why open your mouth if you dont know the answer, only to confuse the original poster and spread misinformation??
That engine is the s4 13b, EFI, 146hp 6 port nonturbo engine. IT is what is *supposed* to be in any 86, 87, or 88 nonturbo car.Enough people on here have s4 nonturbos that I thought surely someone would have said "hey, that matches my engine". 12a, c'mon guys, 12a's are carbed, where do you see a carb?
I dont mean to bust anyone's ***** here, but I couldnt believe my eyes when i read this. A guy asks what engine he has, and he posts this in teh 2nd gen forum...this leads one to believe he has a 2nd gen. There are 4 engines that came in 2gens, and you guys dont respond with any of them.And this is supposed to be the largest (and most knowledgeable) rotary forum in teh world?
Some people need to CHILL... Everyone is still learning...
*bows down to hypntyz7*
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YEah bitch, and that's like someone asking what color the sky is, and a bunch of colorblind people reply green purple white adn everything except blue.
Its not the fact that you dont know, not at all. I have no problem with that, and I will try to help anyone with anything they ask. ITs the fact that over and over I read where people ask a question, and people reply saying **** that they dont know anything about, rather than saying "I dont know" or whatever, but instead theyre like "it is a gslse 13b form an 84". That's how misinformation gets spread. IF you dont know, then maybe wait until you read a post that explains it all out fo ryou so you and everyone else can learn the right way instead of saying whatever pops in your mind.
So what you ask? Well, now some people who have read this thread see this and they say well *that engine*(picture in head) is a gslse 13b from an 84" and when someone else posts something they'll be spreading *more* misinformation.
A classic example: the ATF threads. Before 2 years ago I never heard tell of the "atf trick". I heard of unflooding an FC with atf, but not the "cleaning and lube" trick that is spoken so highly of. SO now so much bullshit has spread around about it, that someone can post "Well my engine died today, I was racing at 8000rpm in 4th under 14 pounds of boost and a rotor fell out of my engine and it blew up" and someone, invariably, will reply "do the atf trick it might help". IFyou read this kind of dumb **** all day long it begins to bother you that people run around speaking without thinking, and spreading misinformation. That's all.
Its not the fact that you dont know, not at all. I have no problem with that, and I will try to help anyone with anything they ask. ITs the fact that over and over I read where people ask a question, and people reply saying **** that they dont know anything about, rather than saying "I dont know" or whatever, but instead theyre like "it is a gslse 13b form an 84". That's how misinformation gets spread. IF you dont know, then maybe wait until you read a post that explains it all out fo ryou so you and everyone else can learn the right way instead of saying whatever pops in your mind.
So what you ask? Well, now some people who have read this thread see this and they say well *that engine*(picture in head) is a gslse 13b from an 84" and when someone else posts something they'll be spreading *more* misinformation.
A classic example: the ATF threads. Before 2 years ago I never heard tell of the "atf trick". I heard of unflooding an FC with atf, but not the "cleaning and lube" trick that is spoken so highly of. SO now so much bullshit has spread around about it, that someone can post "Well my engine died today, I was racing at 8000rpm in 4th under 14 pounds of boost and a rotor fell out of my engine and it blew up" and someone, invariably, will reply "do the atf trick it might help". IFyou read this kind of dumb **** all day long it begins to bother you that people run around speaking without thinking, and spreading misinformation. That's all.
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
Originally posted by hypntyz7
What that hell are you guy stalking about? Why open your mouth if you dont know the answer, only to confuse the original poster and spread misinformation?
... c'mon guys, 12a's are carbed, where do you see a carb?
What that hell are you guy stalking about? Why open your mouth if you dont know the answer, only to confuse the original poster and spread misinformation?
... c'mon guys, 12a's are carbed, where do you see a carb?
Originally posted by Fingers
why would it have a distro, out of curiosity? Any advantages to that?
why would it have a distro, out of curiosity? Any advantages to that?
My guess on that engine would be a PO had probs with the CAS and someone ignorant of EFI suggested a dizzy/coil conversion would be the best fix.
Last edited by NZConvertible; May 27, 2002 at 07:00 PM.
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Kevin is correct overall on this... too many people jump in and say "its this" when they don't have a clue. If you don't know for sure, say," I think it is this, but I don't know for sure". There is no shame saying that you don't know for sure.
BTW: Most of the euro-models of the 13B NA FC had a distributer instead of an crank angle sensor and ECU control. And its very common in countries without or with limited emission controls to have the set up shown in those pictures.
BTW: Most of the euro-models of the 13B NA FC had a distributer instead of an crank angle sensor and ECU control. And its very common in countries without or with limited emission controls to have the set up shown in those pictures.
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
Originally posted by HAILERS
NZCONVERTIBLE.......You mentioned a PO. Whats a PO?????? Slang for ?????
NZCONVERTIBLE.......You mentioned a PO. Whats a PO?????? Slang for ?????
First I’ve heard of that though...
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From: Birmingham, AL
Originally posted by NZConvertible
Nope, there was also a N/A 6-port EFI 12A.
Nope, there was also a N/A 6-port EFI 12A.
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From: Tallinn ,Estonia
Originally posted by HAILERS
ILLMAN is from ESTONIA. Now although its a 13B and fuel injected, I'd use some care making declaritive sentences as to exactly what he has (13B without a doubt) because the Euro version from what I've read on this forum is/was different is some ways. Good to hear from someone from eastern Europe though. EDIT: I do have a question for Illman. Do you know the country of origin of the car?????
ILLMAN is from ESTONIA. Now although its a 13B and fuel injected, I'd use some care making declaritive sentences as to exactly what he has (13B without a doubt) because the Euro version from what I've read on this forum is/was different is some ways. Good to hear from someone from eastern Europe though. EDIT: I do have a question for Illman. Do you know the country of origin of the car?????
Hi. The orign is Germany. The engine is lot different from the ones in USA. Europe versions dont have EGR valve.
I'm just thinking is my engine 6port or 4 port engine cause I have different intake mainfold where actuators are at engine side.
LLman
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From: Tallinn ,Estonia
My problem is that I cant find any info about my engine anywhere. Everything looks the same exept ACV & Exhaust system Engine core says 13B thats for shure. But I just cant figure out where the O2 sensor should go.
Hmmm.
"Its hard when you have only 2 cars in The country"
1 is mine: 87 n/a
2 my friend's 89 TII
Hmmm.
"Its hard when you have only 2 cars in The country"
1 is mine: 87 n/a
2 my friend's 89 TII
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From: Auckland, New Zealand
Originally posted by hypntyz7
Pics? Specs? interesting...
Pics? Specs? interesting...
I thought it was in the HB Cosmo, but I've just checked DMRH (rotary guru) and the 12A 6-port in the '82-'83 Cosmo was carbed. The '84-87 got the EFI 13B 6-port. All years had the 12A Turbo.
Oh well...
12A-SPI (six port induction)
12A Turbo (I had one of these
)13B RE-SI (rotary engine - super injection)
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From: Migrated back to Gulf Breeze, FL
Originally posted by Gefunk
Huh???? Ummm I am going with 12A....look where the hell the spark o plug wires connect. Hmmm though now that I take a look at it you might be right. DAMN those motors are ugly ****....I guess I have just looked at my S5 for so long anything else just doesn't look to normal.
Huh???? Ummm I am going with 12A....look where the hell the spark o plug wires connect. Hmmm though now that I take a look at it you might be right. DAMN those motors are ugly ****....I guess I have just looked at my S5 for so long anything else just doesn't look to normal.
Huh? The turbo motors are just nearly the samething, besides the obvious turbo, IC and a few things added.
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Originally posted by 2887s
I think some people come on here just to bash people who don't know as much as they do. Sorry we are not all-knowing like you, *******!
*bows down to hypntyz7*
I think some people come on here just to bash people who don't know as much as they do. Sorry we are not all-knowing like you, *******!
*bows down to hypntyz7*
I understand his frustration. Most of the time people give out wrong information or say "use the search n00b" which is pathetic. Even though people are still learning, atleast look up the information you're going to post before posting it - esp. some stating it's a 12A motor......
And nope, I don't know everything.I 've owned mine since March of 02 - I'm still learning...... soo.
nothing to be frustrated about
its stock Euro-spec S4 NA
- no boost/pressure sensor in engine bay
- no CAS (comes with distributor and coils, same like first gens)
- no Oxygen sensor
- 6 ports with butterflies instead of sleeves
Everything else is pretty much same like US S4 NA motor and of course parts are interchangeable
ECU is N322
http://rx7cz.net/photos/works15/IMG_0046.JPG
its stock Euro-spec S4 NA
- no boost/pressure sensor in engine bay
- no CAS (comes with distributor and coils, same like first gens)
- no Oxygen sensor
- 6 ports with butterflies instead of sleeves
Everything else is pretty much same like US S4 NA motor and of course parts are interchangeable
ECU is N322
http://rx7cz.net/photos/works15/IMG_0046.JPG
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Originally posted by hypntyz7
YEah bitch, and that's like someone asking what color the sky is, and a bunch of colorblind people reply green purple white adn everything except blue.
Its not the fact that you dont know, not at all. I have no problem with that, and I will try to help anyone with anything they ask. ITs the fact that over and over I read where people ask a question, and people reply saying **** that they dont know anything about, rather than saying "I dont know" or whatever, but instead theyre like "it is a gslse 13b form an 84". That's how misinformation gets spread. IF you dont know, then maybe wait until you read a post that explains it all out fo ryou so you and everyone else can learn the right way instead of saying whatever pops in your mind.
So what you ask? Well, now some people who have read this thread see this and they say well *that engine*(picture in head) is a gslse 13b from an 84" and when someone else posts something they'll be spreading *more* misinformation.
A classic example: the ATF threads. Before 2 years ago I never heard tell of the "atf trick". I heard of unflooding an FC with atf, but not the "cleaning and lube" trick that is spoken so highly of. SO now so much bullshit has spread around about it, that someone can post "Well my engine died today, I was racing at 8000rpm in 4th under 14 pounds of boost and a rotor fell out of my engine and it blew up" and someone, invariably, will reply "do the atf trick it might help". IFyou read this kind of dumb **** all day long it begins to bother you that people run around speaking without thinking, and spreading misinformation. That's all.
YEah bitch, and that's like someone asking what color the sky is, and a bunch of colorblind people reply green purple white adn everything except blue.
Its not the fact that you dont know, not at all. I have no problem with that, and I will try to help anyone with anything they ask. ITs the fact that over and over I read where people ask a question, and people reply saying **** that they dont know anything about, rather than saying "I dont know" or whatever, but instead theyre like "it is a gslse 13b form an 84". That's how misinformation gets spread. IF you dont know, then maybe wait until you read a post that explains it all out fo ryou so you and everyone else can learn the right way instead of saying whatever pops in your mind.
So what you ask? Well, now some people who have read this thread see this and they say well *that engine*(picture in head) is a gslse 13b from an 84" and when someone else posts something they'll be spreading *more* misinformation.
A classic example: the ATF threads. Before 2 years ago I never heard tell of the "atf trick". I heard of unflooding an FC with atf, but not the "cleaning and lube" trick that is spoken so highly of. SO now so much bullshit has spread around about it, that someone can post "Well my engine died today, I was racing at 8000rpm in 4th under 14 pounds of boost and a rotor fell out of my engine and it blew up" and someone, invariably, will reply "do the atf trick it might help". IFyou read this kind of dumb **** all day long it begins to bother you that people run around speaking without thinking, and spreading misinformation. That's all.
